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    Related to Amazon HQ2:

    Every year, American cities and states spend up to $90 billion in tax breaks and cash grants to urge companies to move among states. That’s more than the federal government spends on housing, education, or infrastructure. And since cities and states can’t print money or run steep deficits, these deals take scarce resources from everything local governments would otherwise pay for, such as schools, roads, police, and prisons.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...llegal/575539/

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    But there are three major problems with America’s system of corporate giveaways.

    First, they’re redundant. One recent study by Nathan Jensen, then an economist at George Washington University, found that these incentives “have no discernible impact on firm expansion, measured by job creation.” Companies often decide where they want to go and then find ways to get their dream city, or hometown, to pay them to do what they were going to do anyway. For example, Amazon is a multinational company with large media and advertising divisions. The drama of the past 13 months probably wasn’t crucial to its (probable) decision to expand to New York City, the unambiguous capital of media and advertising.

    Second, companies don’t always hold up their end of the deal. Consider the saga of Wisconsin and the Chinese manufacturing giant Foxconn. Several years ago, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker lured Foxconn with a subsidy plan totaling more than $3 billion. (For the same amount, you could give every household in Wisconsin about $1,700.) Foxconn said it would build a large manufacturing plant that would create about 13,000 jobs near Racine. Now it seems the company is building a much smaller factory with just one quarter of its initial promised investment, and much of the assembly work may be done by robots. Meanwhile, the expected value of Wisconsin’s subsidy has grown to more than $4 billion. Thus a state with declining wages for many public-school teachers could wind up paying more than $500,000 per net new Foxconn job—about 10 times the average salary of a Wisconsin teacher.

    Third, even when the incentives aren’t redundant, and even when companies do hold up their end of the bargain, it’s still ludicrous for Americans to collectively pay tens of billions of dollars for huge corporations to relocate within the United States.


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    It would never happen because neither party would go for it, but he obvious solution is that any state, city or local municipality giving corporate handouts away should get major cuts in federal funding.

    If the City of Arlington doesn’t need Jerry Jones to pay property taxes on Cowboys Stadium then it doesn’t need any federal money either imo.

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    and that doesn’t even include the PILOT agreement Amazon is going get, which is undoubtedly a sweetheart deal on real estate taxes.

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    what does Amazon want to hide from VA taxpayers?


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    NY residents will also "pay" with more congestion on streets and subway, plus higher rents.

    and yes, the NY subway is really a hole compared to Paris, and even London.

    low taxes, evaded/avoided taxes? It's why America can't have modern, safe country

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    $4.6 billion in taxpayer subsidies and counting:

    https://www.goodjobsfirst.org/news/r...ully-accounted

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    "dark store" theory of taxation and the retail apocalypse:

    https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/...almart/574123/

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    Why can't my house be property-tax-rated like a "dark house" somewhere?

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    Matt Taibbi: Bezos flavored oligarchy?

    Rather quickly after the “HQ2” announcement was made, Marke ch ran a piece pointing out that moving to Northern Virginia might have other benefits for Amazon: HQ2 in the D.C. area could help Amazon snag a $10 billion Pentagon contract.
    Yes, the company has increased the odds that it will be awarded one of the all-time lucrative defense deals, the $10 billion Joint Enterprise Defense Infrastructure (JEDI) contract, providing cloud services and a platform for Department of Defense operations, instantly becoming one of the biggest federal contractors.
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...rginia-756355/

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