Border Security

[koriwhat]

I see it more as a both/and. There's no scarcity of resources in the USA.

wgaf how many resources we have? they're for our citizens and not those entering illegally.

[Winehole23]

sorry, man, we're responsible for folks we detain.

[Winehole23]

life is as important as life... now if we are talking whether or not the citizen should be taken care of over the illegal then 10 out of 10 yes! sorry but not sorry. the illegal has their own country they can go back to and seek help from. what don't you understand? they're illegal and have no rights here and shouldn't be offered a damn thing but a bus ticket back home.

you're wrong about that.

under US law they have the right to ask for asylum regardless of how they entered the country.

[koriwhat]

sorry, man, we're responsible for folks we detain.

that needs to change... no need to detain when you can give a swift kick to their ass and push them back over the border line.

[koriwhat]

you're wrong about that.

under US law they have the right to ask for asylum regardless of how they entered the country.

time to change that broken law since it's been abused for way too long now.

[Winehole23]

one wonders why Republicans didn't change the law while they had a chance. maybe they didn't care about illegal immigration as much as they pretend to.

[koriwhat]

one wonders why Republicans didn't change the law while they had a chance. maybe they didn't care about illegal immigration as much as they pretend to.

possibly. i don't know the inner workings of snakes tbh. they're all snakes on both sides of the aisle.

[Chris]

saying you're not virtue signalling is virtue signalling.

somehow, you think it's more authentic not to care than to care.

my opinion is that it depends. neither is necessarily more "real" than the other.

Facts don't care about your feelings snowflake.

[Winehole23]

what facts, snowflake?

[Blake]

have you done anything about it except whine here whinehole? lol

Asks one of the bigger y whiners here

[Blake]

Facts don't care about your feelings snowflake.

Lol says dude that constantly posts fake news

[Chris]

Lol says dude that constantly posts fake news

What fake news have I posted ITT or even recently? Are you going to keep up this kind of churlish behavior through 2019?

[Pavlov]

What fake news have I posted ITT or even recently? Are you going to keep up this kind of churlish behavior through 2019?

You've posted enough to have a reputation.

[Blake]

What fake news have I posted ITT or even recently? Are you going to keep up this kind of churlish behavior through 2019?

Lol but but whatabout "recently"

You'll be posting fake news in 2019, dip .

[Chris]

Lol but but whatabout "recently"

You'll be posting fake news in 2019, dip .

Lol "constantly posting"

[Blake]

Lol "constantly posting"

Yup it's sad tbh. You're sad tbh.

[Spurtacular]

You've posted enough to have a reputation.

What do you think your reputation is?

[ElNono]

I don't hear the same amount of concern for and/or complaining (on this board) about the American homeless as for these illegal aliens.

Maybe because the thread is called Border Security?

I’m pretty sure there was just as much concern in relevant threads.

Spoiler: blaming the victim has worked as well there.

[Chris]

Yup it's sad tbh. You're sad tbh.

It's sad that you can't back up any of your wild assertions.

[Winehole23]

What's it like in la hielera?

https://www.thecut.com/amp/2018/12/w...he-border.html

[Blake]

It's sad that you can't back up any of your wild assertions.

Lol "wild"

[CosmicCowboy]

So the general opinion in here is that economic migrants "searching for a better life" are OK even if they are uneducated, illiterate, and don't speak English.

So if we completely disregard that they are entering illegally, what is an appropriate annual number that we should allow in? 100,000? A million? Ten Million? 50 million? After all, they are just innocent economic migrants seeking a better life.

[boutons_deux]

[ElNono]

So the general opinion in here is that economic migrants "searching for a better life" are OK even if they are uneducated, illiterate, and don't speak English.

So if we completely disregard that they are entering illegally, what is an appropriate annual number that we should allow in? 100,000? A million? Ten Million? 50 million? After all, they are just innocent economic migrants seeking a better life.

I think you’re missing the point entirely by focusing on trying to pin point exact numbers, or qualifications. If we can agree this is primarily an economics problem, then we should be able to discern that the job market will dictate how many of those people will get jobs and an opportunity to improve their situation, and how many of those people are simply going to turn back and go home back to their families (a phenomenon barely talked about, but that also happens).

There’s other non-economic concerns that are completely legitimate too, like securing our border from bad actors, or the fact that illegals clog and make unfair an already bureaucratic and expensive system for legal immigrants. Those are serious concerns that need to be addressed, with both better border security and an integral immigration reform.

Then there’s the war on drugs making securing the border clearly more complicated, the abuses on the current legal visa system, etc. Clearly this is an area that requires a lot of thought because the problem is complicated and the solution requires more than some sort of silver bullet.

[CosmicCowboy]

I think you’re missing the point entirely by focusing on trying to pin point exact numbers, or qualifications. If we can agree this is primarily an economics problem, then we should be able to discern that the job market will dictate how many of those people will get jobs and an opportunity to improve their situation, and how many of those people are simply going to turn back and go home back to their families (a phenomenon barely talked about, but that also happens).

There’s other non-economic concerns that are completely legitimate too, like securing our border from bad actors, or the fact that illegals clog and make unfair an already bureaucratic and expensive system for legal immigrants. Those are serious concerns that need to be addressed, with both better border security and an integral immigration reform.

Then there’s the war on drugs making securing the border clearly more complicated, the abuses on the current legal visa system, etc. Clearly this is an area that requires a lot of thought because the problem is complicated and the solution requires more than some sort of silver bullet.

Actually, I was pointing out the fallacy of the majority opinion of this forum that "these poor illegal immigrants are just coming here for a better life". I agree with you that the situation is much more complicated.

The majority opinion in the forum however is that economic immigration is fine. I was asking the proponents at what scale is it NOT fine?