Lakers: Beating the 73-9 Warriors made me the GOAT

[DMC]

well he made it clear he's not determining that irrespective of position. there are a lot more bigs that would fit ahead of steph, but only 4 "big man" spots available with his method

Putting Curry as the 2nd best PG ever is still

Outside of this 3pt shooting, what does he have? Great court vision? Rebounding? Tenacious defense? I'll wait. He won one ring and then needed KD to move forward because Lebron was too much. He wasn't even the MVP of any of the Finals. I cannot imagine someone on the top 10 all time list that was never the MVP in their own Finals.

[spurraider21]

Putting Curry as the 2nd best PG ever is still

He won one ring and then needed KD to move forward because Lebron was too much. He wasn't even the MVP of any of the Finals. I cannot imagine someone on the top 10 all time list that was never the MVP in their own Finals.

who's your 2nd best PG of all time who was also a finals MVP? operating under the assumption that magic is #1

i guess isiah thomas?

Outside of this 3pt shooting, what does he have? Great court vision? Rebounding? Tenacious defense? I'll wait.

this is an odd way to do rankings... comparing specific skills.

[DMC]

who's your 2nd best PG of all time who was also a finals MVP? operating under the assumption that magic is #1

PG's I'd put ahead of Curry (for now)

Nash (never been to Finals)
Kidd (Never won a Finals until he was retirement age)
Parker (Finals MVP)
Chris Paul
John Stockton

Curry has 3 rings but was never the finals MVP in any of those. You could say his b2b RS MVP puts him in the discussion, and he's in the discussion, but he's never been clearly the best player in the Finals. You cannot say that about other players who have won a Finals in years they weren't over the hill. Also, bringing in KD really dampens Curry's legacy because you have to discount 2 rings just as you discount 2 rings for Wade for bringing in Lebron or 5 for Kobe for having Shaq and Pau.

[Killakobe81]

who's your 2nd best PG of all time who was also a finals MVP? operating under the assumption that magic is #1

i guess isiah thomas?


this is an odd way to do rankings... comparing specific skills.

DMC just likes to stir up ish so that is why I no longer respond to his posts ...
PG has a lot of great players but after Magic, you could make a case for: steph/Stockton/Kidd/GP/Zeke/Cp3/Nash no one is definitive.
If you value the three ball and ball handling skill steph is one of the better players in modern NBA history.
If you prefer defense it's Kidd/GP
If you prefer pure floor general its stockton
Metrics pefer CP3
Nash is the rare company of having back to back MVP and his shooting numbers are crazy good ...

I like steph liked him since davidson ... never thought he would be this good ... and again who give a flying frick about an award won by Iggy/Tony Parker/Billups/Corn bread maxwell (i think) over players like steph/Ducan/Bird etc?!
How is it recency biased when most of my top 10 players are all retired many for over 15 years?
only recent players that are on my list was Steph and Lebron.

Remember I still had Bird over KD i only said he was "coming for " Larry and everyone gets bent out of shape again, I dont care if he a BAN ...KD is probably the second best SF i have ever seen ...another ring a few more high level years and his prime will have been way longer than Bird with same number or more rings ...

[Beartrucci]

Can you imagine what Usain Bolt would have done to Jesse Owens?

Touche I still think Jordan's Finals comp was though. I watched quite a bit of it growing up too while rooting for him.

Jordan never beat a true all time great or great team to win a ring. Bird and Magic were done. Wish we could've seen him vs prime Hakeem

[DMC]

who's your 2nd best PG of all time who was also a finals MVP? operating under the assumption that magic is #1

i guess isiah thomas?


this is an odd way to do rankings... comparing specific skills.

Isn't this what he was doing, top 10 ranking by position? You either have top 10 or you have top 2 at each position. Calling these people top 10 is just more autism by the resident autist81

[spurraider21]

PG's I'd put ahead of Curry (for now)

Nash (never been to Finals)
Kidd (Never won a Finals until he was retirement age)
Parker (Finals MVP)
Chris Paul
John Stockton

Curry has 3 rings but was never the finals MVP in any of those. You could say his b2b RS MVP puts him in the discussion, and he's in the discussion, but he's never been clearly the best player in the Finals. You cannot say that about other players who have won a Finals in years they weren't over the hill. Also, bringing in KD really dampens Curry's legacy because you have to discount 2 rings just as you discount 2 rings for Wade for bringing in Lebron or 5 for Kobe for having Shaq and Pau.

and that's really it. as long as he's in the conversation, then why is KK81 suddenly discredited for having him as his #2 pg?

[DMC]

and that's really it. as long as he's in the conversation, then why is KK81 suddenly discredited for having him as his #2 pg?

He's in the conversation as one of the great PGs but not top 2 for reasons I already stated. He was never even the best on his own championship teams.

In fact, isn't Curry the only one on the list without a Finals MVP even though he's been in the Finals 4 times?

[Killakobe81]

This is just getting crazy. Durant is working towards being the most overrated player in league history. Paul george is now having OKC at the level before Durant left with a similar/weaker cast.

Your bird hate is just irrational.

hmm win shares per 48:


KD has two seasons in the top 20 ... (14 and 18)
Larry bird does not have one season higher than KD's third and 4th worst showings ...34 and 47.
Wait, wasnt win shares one of the metrics on why Gasol is MVPau?!!!

where is Bird on this list?
Im looking, looking ... Bird's best season is listed at 129th in fact he holds 130 and 131
But Im "hating" on bird?

Maybe Im being to kind.
Other small forwards with higer wS/48 seasons include KAwhi and Julius Erving

dont like Win shares?

PEr is far kinder there Bird's best season
is higher than Dirk's or Kawhi's

The facts are ... I respect Bird think he is great because of his Vision, killer instinct inate feel for the game etc.
I still have him over KD.
But at some point, if KD keeps winning and scoring and extendiing his prime its a silly argument based not on any facts. s
kills, Counting numbers, metrics etc all point to KD.


BTW Lefty and anyone else feel free to refer to this as to why Magic was better as well ...

[Killakobe81]

and that's really it. as long as he's in the conversation, then why is KK81 suddenly discredited for having him as his #2 pg?

Because DMC is an agitator ...

steph has the 8th best and 30 th best PEr seasons of all time ...
Steph has has the 8th, 21st and 55th best win share/48 seasons of all time.
He has smashed the 3 point made records, shoots at a crazy high % considering the degree of difficulty of shots he has made ... but yet im crazy because he is in my top 2-3 PG's?! ... I loved GP modeled my game after him but he is not better than steph curryand not in my top two.

[KobeScored81]

Why will the media never acknowledge that Jordan won his rings against comp in the Finals? Done Magic, Barkley, Drexler, and Malone? Really? Can you imagine what the '13 Spurs and '16 Warriors would've done to those opponents?

I’m not one for what ifs

[phxspurfan]

The way BSPN keeps pimping this on every one of their shows. It makes it seem like they agreed with LeBroom to say it on their stupid ESPN+ show to generate buzz around their stupid OTT network

[hitmanyr2k]

Why will the media never acknowledge that Jordan won his rings against comp in the Finals? Done Magic, Barkley, Drexler, and Malone? Really? Can you imagine what the '13 Spurs and '16 Warriors would've done to those opponents?

Probably because the media isn't dumb enough to think those teams were made up of just one player? Then again the sports media has gotten dumber by the year which is why the fans today are just as stupid.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

He didnt win enough for me to consider him the GOAT. I mean his contemporaries won more than him in Kobe and Duncan. Curry has him tied in les. Lebron has owned a conference but really hasn't ever owned the league which is something I expect from the GOAT. Add to the fact that there were several Cleveland teams which clearly weren't the second best team in the League when they made the finals, I'm not as impressed with his 9 finals appearances. Though his longevity and body maintanance are GOAT standards tbh. That is really the most impressive thing about him. But as a fan of a team from the Western Conference and not the Leastern one, Lebron never really struck fear into me as a fan. We spanked him twice and all his fan boys have excuse to why he hasn't won more yet still call him the GOAT. The GOAT doesnt need as many excuses as Lebron seems to get. " he had no help." "He carried his team on his back and couldn't do everything by himself." "He was tired." "His teammates were old" "he lost to a dynasty." "KD ruined the NBA" and now his excuse is "Lakers are too young and inexperienced." Just excuse after excuse. Michael Jordan simply admitted he wasnt the best at the time. He wasn't as good as Magic and Bird in the 80s. He wasnt strong enough or physical enough to beat the Pistons. No excuses. He went out and became the GOAT and made sure nobody would beat him again. He became a player that never needed an excuse. Lebron hasn't done that yet.

[Killakobe81]

He didnt win enough for me to consider him the GOAT. I mean his contemporaries won more than him in Kobe and Duncan. Curry has him tied in les. Lebron has owned a conference but really hasn't ever owned the league which is something I expect from the GOAT. Add to the fact that there were several Cleveland teams which clearly weren't the second best team in the League when they made the finals, I'm not as impressed with his 9 finals appearances. Though his longevity and body maintanance are GOAT standards tbh. That is really the most impressive thing about him. But as a fan of a team from the Western Conference and not the Leastern one, Lebron never really struck fear into me as a fan. We spanked him twice and all his fan boys have excuse to why he hasn't won more yet still call him the GOAT. The GOAT doesnt need as many excuses as Lebron seems to get. " he had no help." "He carried his team on his back and couldn't do everything by himself." "He was tired." "His teammates were old" "he lost to a dynasty." "KD ruined the NBA" and now his excuse is "Lakers are too young and inexperienced." Just excuse after excuse. Michael Jordan simply admitted he wasnt the best at the time. He wasn't as good as Magic and Bird in the 80s. He wasnt strong enough or physical enough to beat the Pistons. No excuses. He went out and became the GOAT and made sure nobody would beat him again. He became a player that never needed an excuse. Lebron hasn't done that yet.

Damn. Interesting take... can't say I agree 100% but can't argue with it either.

[Kyle_Kuzma]

lebrun isn't even the best player of his generation

1. kobe
2. lebron
3. duncan

[Beartrucci]

Probably because the media isn't dumb enough to think those teams were made up of just one player? Then again the sports media has gotten dumber by the year which is why the fans today are just as stupid.

says the super intense Bulls fan

those teams were all awful when we're talking about all time status

LBJ beat two of the greatest teams ever, and it can't be argued. Sure he needed a bit of luck, but they're W's...

[DMC]

lebrun isn't even the best player of his generation

1. kobe -12
2. lebron arguably - 1b
3. duncan - 8

[HarlemHeat37]

says the super intense Bulls fan

those teams were all awful when we're talking about all time status

LBJ beat two of the greatest teams ever, and it can't be argued. Sure he needed a bit of luck, but they're W's...

Arguing with fans of 90s basketball is a waste, don't bother

[hitmanyr2k]

says the super intense Bulls fan

those teams were all awful when we're talking about all time status

LBJ beat two of the greatest teams ever, and it can't be argued. Sure he needed a bit of luck, but they're W's...

Get the outta here The '92 Blazers and '93 Suns were deeper than the '16 Warriors.

[RsxPiimp]

this is why i cant stand jordan- dude is so phony

[HarlemHeat37]

He's always saying what white people want to hear, he's been doing it for 30 years

I don't blame him, it's made him a billion..

[TDMVPDPOY]

how can u be the goat when u loss twice to duncan, nearly 3 times

then u loss how many against gsw? yeh u beat one of the great teams that finish 73-9, that doesnt make up for the previous 2-3 fails against the gsw

[Will Hunting]

He's always saying what white people want to hear, he's been doing it for 30 years

I don't blame him, it's made him a billion..

Uncle Tomin’ it up is a fool proof way for black people to get rich , Chris Rock literally admitted that his comedy routines revolved around uncle tomin for the white folks.

[HarlemHeat37]

Uncle Tomin’ it up is a fool proof way for black people to get rich , Chris Rock literally admitted that his comedy routines revolved around uncle tomin for the white folks.

I regret not doing it on Twitter and YouTube, the conservative Black man or woman defending Trump has been getting a huge bag the past 2 years

Candace Owens changed her life in an instant..