Nikola Vucevic and Spurs linked??

[Prime BEEF]

The only good argument against Vucevic right now is that he has yet to prove if he can translate his game to a winning team, which I'm sure he will as soon as he gets out of Orlando.

Definitely agree with this. Also contract year guy stats always worry me too but you’ve shown that his other years are good as well. I don’t dislike LMA but to act like he is a consistent all world player that is so much better than Vucevic is just crazy. He’s a 3rd option player (for a contender) that has to be the first option in order to earn his contract.

[RC_Drunkford]

Here are their career metrics:

Aldridge: PER: 20.7, OBPM: 0.9, DBPM: 0.5, BPM: 1.4, VORP: 26.5*

Vucevic: PER: 19.9, OBPM: -0.1, DBPM: 1.4, BPM: 1.3, VORP: 12.3*

*VORP looks so uneven because, unlike the other stats, it is an ac ulative number and Aldridge has played 5 more seasons.

So, even with Vucevic just starting to enter his prime (and never having the luxury of playing for a good team) the career metrics are almost even. It is safe to say that when both players are retired Vucevic's numbers will be better.

compare their playoff numbers

[DAF86]

compare their playoff numbers

Are you really trying to bring the playoffs as some sort of saving grace for Aldridge's career?

[DAF86]

And just for the record, I'm pretty meh towards Vucevic. The only thing I'm saying is that RIGHT NOW, IN THE YEAR 2019, the metrics and the eye test indicate that he's a better player than Aldridge, nothing more.

Neither guy is a top dog for a championship team, maybe not even a 2nd option, they are probably more suited as 3rd options if you really want to have chances of ringing. The difference is that one guy would accept such role and the other wouldn't.

[Prime BEEF]

Neither guy is a top dog for a championship team, maybe not even a 2nd option, they are probably more suited as 3rd options if you really want to have chances of ringing. The difference is that one guy would accept such role and the other wouldn't.

Bingo

Try and trade him while he still has value. Hope he keeps playing well.

[Duncan87]

Word is hornets desperate to move batum maybe Pau for him with some other pieces seems more likely

[FutureMan]

And just for the record, I'm pretty meh towards Vucevic. The only thing I'm saying is that RIGHT NOW, IN THE YEAR 2019, the metrics and the eye test indicate that he's a better player than Aldridge, nothing more.

Neither guy is a top dog for a championship team, maybe not even a 2nd option, they are probably more suited as 3rd options if you really want to have chances of ringing. The difference is that one guy would accept such role and the other wouldn't.

Just curious, how many Magic games have you watched over the past few seasons??

[Chinook]

From the article:



" b...but... but he doesn't post up "



Seriously sons, even for SpursTalk's standards I have seldom seen such a shameless disregard for true statements, tbh.

Posting up to shoot a face-up jumper is not the same thing as backing a guy down on the block.

Again, you're the same guy who last year didn't think Leonard iso'd a lot, so it's not surprising to see you skim numbers and come up with alternative facts.

[RC_Drunkford]

Are you really trying to bring the playoffs as some sort of saving grace for Aldridge's career?

Aldridge had multiple 40 point 20 rebounds outings in the playoffs. How many does Vucevic have?

[Chinook]

And just for the record, I'm pretty meh towards Vucevic. The only thing I'm saying is that RIGHT NOW, IN THE YEAR 2019, the metrics and the eye test indicate that he's a better player than Aldridge, nothing more.

The metrics for the last 15 games say Aldridge has been better, so no, you don't mean right now, in the year 2019. You don't mean over the course of their careers. You mean a specific sample that is favorable to your point because it has a proportion of bad LMA games that doesn't represent his mean level of play.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanc...&LastNGames=15

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanc...R_NAME*E*lamar

Again, though, you keep on with that whole, "I'ma objectively look at stats and pretend they make my argument for me" line of reasoning.

[superbigtime]

Vuc is most definitely a good player. But better than Aldridge? nope! haha gtfo.

[DAF86]

Just curious, how many Magic games have you watched over the past few seasons??

Just this season, around 6 or 7. Over the past couple of seasons, probably double that, or maybe even more. I watch NBA games every week night, tbh.

[JPB]

Word is hornets desperate to move batum maybe Pau for him with some other pieces seems more likely

Not sure Spurs would have the pieces but Batum is intriguing. Bobo 2.0 ?

State of fact is he's just been borderline terrible this year from what I've seen and understand for a 20M guy. He's a glue guy and bring a lot of intangible but dude just won't score anymore...

But with spurs current big 3, scoring isn't necessarily what's needed... a long 3/4 that can pass, rebound and defend and eventually shoot the 3... hey, tell me more.

He's really fell a cliff this year for some reason, so that would be a gamble... But what could the spurs offer of interest ?

[palangi]

*Says "You haven't watched Vuc if you think he's not a back-to-the-basket player."

* Posts videos of him taking jumpers and facing up.

, even when he's posting up, he isn't even getting closer to the basket. Most guys are holding their ground, and he's just moving in an arc and tossing in hooks from outside the restricted area.

When you say something like "Vuc is better at everything" when the other guy is a multi-time All-NBAer, you don't really have credibility. Dude might be better for what you want, but he certainly isn't better at everything.

You're just coming off as worse and worse. You started off with the misguided but still understandable notion that Aldridge was good at things that aren't that important to winning in the modern era, and you've gotten to a point where you think lottery bigs do literally everything better. This during a stretch where Aldridge carried a team to the playoffs and triggered this resurgence this year. Making that "Aldridge-ball" thread has been the worst thing you've done for your ST career, not because it's a bad take (we've all had those), but because you've desperately doubled-down on it even when it's been obviously wrong while being unable to let even a single person say that without posting a flimsy rebuttal.

Just let it go, man. LMA is better than scrub bigs. Posting up can still win a lot of games if it's supported with the right personnel. It's just the way it is.

Remember when you said Danny green was irreplaceable. I don't think your talent evaluation has gotten any better. So stop acting like you are an end all be all with your weak opinion.
I don't know if Aldridge is better or not. But I do know Aldridge is not some great player you are making him out to be. We aren't winning it with him so maybe try something else and see what he can bring back.

[palangi]

The metrics for the last 15 games say Aldridge has been better, so no, you don't mean right now, in the year 2019. You don't mean over the course of their careers. You mean a specific sample that is favorable to your point because it has a proportion of bad LMA games that doesn't represent his mean level of play.

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanc...&LastNGames=15

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanc...R_NAME*E*lamar

Again, though, you keep on with that whole, "I'ma objectively look at stats and pretend they make my argument for me" line of reasoning.

Just say it. Aldridge is irreplaceable. You know you want to

[Play Boban]

Anti-white racism is alive and well on spurstalk smh....tbh.......

[Chinook]

Anti-white racism is alive and well on spurstalk smh....tbh.......

tl;dr

[Chinook]

Remember when you said Danny green was irreplaceable. I don't think your talent evaluation has gotten any better. So stop acting like you are an end all be all with your weak opinion.
I don't know if Aldridge is better or not. But I do know Aldridge is not some great player you are making him out to be. We aren't winning it with him so maybe try something else and see what he can bring back.

Thought we'd reach a peace once Green was traded. Anyway, Danny's leading the league in some impact stats for a contender. Meanwhile, the Spurs are still desperate for two-way players. In other words, dude is pretty irreplaceable. Aldridge is too. You and I both know this.

[dbestpro]

Really don't get the argument of LMA vs Vuc. The real question is can they play on the floor at the same time together?

[palangi]

Thought we'd reach a peace once Green was traded. Anyway, Danny's leading the league in some impact stats for a contender. Meanwhile, the Spurs are still desperate for two-way players. In other words, dude is pretty irreplaceable. Aldridge is too. You and I both know this.

[Joseph Kony]

Rk	Player	From	To	G	MP	PER	TS%	3PAr	FTr	ORB%	DRB%	TRB%	AST%	STL%	BLK%	TOV%	USG%		OWS	DWS	WS	WS/48		OBPM	DBPM	BPM	VORP
1	LaMarcus Aldridge	2007	2019	907	31311	20.7	.538	.027	.273	9.0	18.9	14.0	10.2	1.1	2.4	8.0	26.0		63.0	38.1	101.1	.155		0.9	0.5	1.4	26.5
2	Nikola Vucevic	2012	2019	492	14710	19.9	.533	.063	.156	10.0	27.4	18.6	13.7	1.4	2.5	10.9	24.0		16.7	19.4	36.1	.118		-0.1	1.4	1.3	12.3

I'll give DAF credit, because Vuc has decent stats, honestly a little better than i thought, and he certainly isnt a garbage player by any means (though not sure why he keeps mentioning post play, most people are aware Vuc has been a post player most of his career), but really LMA edges him out in all the important stats, and imo the individual stats like reb% blk% etc go to Vuc as a product of being the best player (most likely) on a trash team for years wheres LMA has played on playoff teams his entire career.

You're also completely dismissing that this dude is injury prone as , and has never managed to play a full season and has multiple years missing 15+ games with injury, including 57 games played in 2014 and only 57 last year. Young big missing that many games before 30 years old is a red flag tbh.

So, I guess i'm just trying to clarify what your argument is. If it's that Vuc is having a better year thus far than LMA and that going forward he will be a better player (not much of a reach considering he's 5 years younger) than yeah i guess i can agree. but if you're trying to insinuate that he has ever been a better player than LMA at any point in his career aside from the first 35 games of this year, then you're compeltely wrong. And seriously, watching 6 games this year and 12 over the past 2-3 seasons doesnt make you an expert on Vucevic, so get off the high horse and stop acting like no one knows what theyre talking about because you watched a handful of games and dont think anyone else on ST has league pass

[DAF86]

I'll give DAF credit, because Vuc has decent stats, honestly a little better than i thought, and he certainly isnt a garbage player by any means (though not sure why he keeps mentioning post play, most people are aware Vuc has been a post player most of his career), but really LMA edges him out in all the important stats, and imo the individual stats like reb% blk% etc go to Vuc as a product of being the best player (most likely) on a trash team for years wheres LMA has played on playoff teams his entire career.

Not Chinook apparently

You're also completely dismissing that this dude is injury prone as , and has never managed to play a full season and has multiple years missing 15+ games with injury, including 57 games played in 2014 and only 57 last year. Young big missing that many games before 30 years old is a red flag tbh.

So, I guess i'm just trying to clarify what your argument is. If it's that Vuc is having a better year thus far than LMA and that going forward he will be a better player (not much of a reach considering he's 5 years younger) than yeah i guess i can agree. but if you're trying to insinuate that he has ever been a better player than LMA at any point in his career aside from the first 35 games of this year, then you're compeltely wrong. And seriously, watching 6 games this year and 12 over the past 2-3 seasons doesnt make you an expert on Vucevic, so get off the high horse and stop acting like no one knows what theyre talking about because you watched a handful of games and dont think anyone else on ST has league pass

Well yeah, that has been my take pretty much all along.

Also, the fact that Vucevic is easier to integrate to a team, than Aldridge, because he doesn't need to be the focal point of an offense to be productive. He can get his within the flow of the offense.