Sad reality of the shutdown

[clambake]

I didn't say that. Doing the right thing isn't exclusive to party. The question was directly about the Democrats.

umm, trump did this and turned every republican politician and supporter into trump minions.


you can say it. we know

[Th'Pusher]

First off, I didn't say I didn't remember the last shutdown. I said I didn't remember why it was shut down. That highlights my point (that people really don't care about why; they only care about what), not refutes it. No one's vote's going to change? Maybe. But folks don't have to start liking Trump to hurt Democrats. They just have to not show up as enthusiastically in 2020. Or they just have to rebel again in the primary and split the party between the establishment candidate they're probably going to try to run and the the more radical alternative.

So your theory is that democrats not caving to trump is going to suppress voter turnout in 2020? I don’t buy that for a second. You could make the counterargument that the democratic vote would be suppressed by the establishment caving to trump on the wall.

[Th'Pusher]

In my original post, I made the term "need" contingent upon the wants of the party I am not even part of. I do not agree with your use of the word "should". I think it's sloppy. Something that is contingent isn't a "should" it's a "need", as should implies "ought to" while need implies "must". Your example would be true if I was giving advice.. "If you want to get your license, you should study" but I wasn't "If a person wants to pass their exam, they need to study" is more of an observation, not advice. "Ought to" is usually advice. It implies "I wish you would" but I don't have any such wishes for the democratic party.

Either way, Chump intentionally disregarded the fact that the term was contingent upon the wants of the democratic party and instead tried to spin it to represent a contradiction where one simply did not exist. He seems to hate it when someone won't play his yes or no game so he has to select for you.

You can tell DMC has lost an argument when he turns into a pedant.

[DMC]

You can tell DMC has lost an argument when he turns into a pedant.

Lap dog 3 checking in!

Like clockwork

[spurraider21]

Lap dog 3 checking in!

Like clockwork

yeah bro!

#winning

[Winehole23]

[Winehole23]

[Winehole23]

The Internal Revenue Service is recalling more than half of its workforce for the upcoming tax season, meaning more than 46,000 people will be forced to work without pay.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...nment-shutdown

[Pavlov]

You seem to want to know everyone's stance on everything instead of addressing the point. To you, the topic never matters, just the ability to get someone to adopt a stance you can later parody. You fail every time with me and it burns your ass.

your fear of saying what you think is all I need, tough guy.

[Will Hunting]

Chinook tries so hard on here

Biggest pseudo-intellectual blowhard I’ve ever come across on the internet

[ElNono]

This is all politics. Dems simply have the much better hand, they can pass bill after bill funding shut down government agencies, and then just point the finger to the Senate for not wanting to bring them to a vote and expose the President to a veto.

There's really two outcomes more likely to happen: pressure will mount in the Senate, cocaine Mitch will let the POTUS know when the brink is near, Orangina will declare a national emergency to 'win anyway' and how the democrats could've avoided all the pain by giving him the most beautiful wall ever 'he got anyway'. Second option is Dennison continues to wait it out until early March when the debt ceiling comes into play, he'll double down on stupid and hope the Democrats eventually act like the adults in the room.

[Spurtacular]

umm, trump did this and turned every republican politician and supporter into trump minions.


you can say it. we know

Tough words for a cuck.

[DMC]

yeah bro!

#winning

You must be part of the #MeNeither movement.. the group who couldn't get laid.

[clambake]

Tough words for a cuck.

good one, slurp.

[Trill Clinton]

Guns slipping past TSA and I expect fraud to increase significantly

[Winehole23]

OH GAHD NO NOT THE STATE OF THE UNION

[Winehole23]

[Chinook]

Chinook tries so hard on here

Biggest pseudo-intellectual blowhard I’ve ever come across on the internet

Do either of you guys actually disagree with the idea that folks care more about how something affects them than "the bigger picture"? It's sort of pathetic that you label that as trying hard or intellectual. That's just common sense. What isn't is trying to act like arguments on cons utional theory are more persuasive.

[Spurs Homer]

President Pelosi just took away Trumps little Hannity show in front of the cameras.




Something that less Paul Ryan the Russian agent never would have had the ballsack to do!

[boutons_deux]

For the second time, McConnell blocks vote on bill that would reopen government

12 Number of times that Mitch McConnell passed bills out of the Senate, even though Barack Obama had already said he would veto those bills.

3 Number of times in just the last two weeks that Mitch McConnell has wasted the Senate’s time by calling a vote on an Israel bill that he knows will not pass.

2 Number of times Mitch McConnell has blocked a vote on a bill that would reopen the government.

0 Number of times that Mitch McConnell has done anything at all to challenge Trump and uphold the cons utional authority of the Senate.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/1/15/1826513/-McConnell-blocks-vote-on-bill-that-would-reopen-government-for-the-second-time?detail=emaildkre

[Chinook]

You’re such a smart boy!

Thanks. I clearly try very hard to sound smart on a message board.

[TSA]

This is all politics. Dems simply have the much better hand, they can pass bill after bill funding shut down government agencies, and then just point the finger to the Senate for not wanting to bring them to a vote and expose the President to a veto.

There's really two outcomes more likely to happen: pressure will mount in the Senate, cocaine Mitch will let the POTUS know when the brink is near, Orangina will declare a national emergency to 'win anyway' and how the democrats could've avoided all the pain by giving him the most beautiful wall ever 'he got anyway'. Second option is Dennison continues to wait it out until early March when the debt ceiling comes into play, he'll double down on stupid and hope the Democrats eventually act like the adults in the room.

Interesting theory about the shutdown being floated here

Trump's shutdown trap?

Has President Trump suckered Democrats and the Deep State into a trap that will enable a radical downsizing of the federal bureaucracy? In only five more days of the already "longest government shutdown in history" (25 days and counting, as of today), a heretofore obscure threshold will be reached, enabling permanent layoffs of bureaucrats furloughed 30 days or more.

Don't believe me that federal bureaucrats can be laid off? Well, in bureaucratese, a layoff is called a RIF – a Reduction in Force – and of course, it comes with a slew of civil service protections. But, if the guidelines are followed, bureaucrats can be laid off – as in no more job. It is all explained by Michael Roberts here https://www.thebalancecareers.com/re...-force-1669479 (updated after the beginning of the partial shutdown):

A reduction in force is a thoughtful and systematic elimination of positions. For all practical purposes, a government RIF is the same thing as a layoff...

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...down_trap.html

[Pavlov]

TSA still pushing the "Trump is a super genius and not just an angry old white dude making decisions after watching Fox News" narrative.

[Spurminator]

Anything sounds better than "President of the United States continues stubborn tantrum for unpopular wall," I guess, but I'm not sure mass public layoffs is great strategery.

[apalisoc_9]

Great thread Trill. I've been part of the Department of Defense in the military for years. Luckily for me the DoD was fully funded. I don't live paycheck to paycheck, but I would be screwed living in D.C. without my military pay. The cost of living here is only behind New York, San Francisco, and LA, I think.

I feel for those who work for government agencies that are affected by Trump's shutdown. These people earned their pay, but Trump old racist ass doesn't care about common folk. But his punkass signed into law a tax scam for the rich. him tbh.

Wow. DC is a hole but its that expansive? Crazy.

This shutdown is really going to make life difficult for average folks. Sad.