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And to the OP.
Congrats, you're officially in Blake territory with this post. I'll just consider this your white flag, and we can move on. You can just sweep it under the rug.
And to the OP.
Except Kawhi has been successful through his disability.
Chrissyboy turning into a pro-disease-hippie ing lib.
Do you ever get tired of kicking your own ass? I mean damn, you are like a guy at church who tells the person beside him that the person in front of him is a cheating piece of then heads home and s his neighbors wife.
Keep in mind his parents are evil liberals who watch rachel Maddow and probably had him vaccinated.
you, dad!
Ehh, not sure I'd liken Chris with someone who goes to church or s.
Huh? Dr Zimmerman made these exact comments over 2 years ago. Discusses the same supposed link and the cir stances under which he was not asked to testify.
2 years later, recycle the same story and BOOM bombs
You're full of .
This is a dead issue, been debunked a million times. Next.
where, exactly. please tell me which of these is false
1) I linked you to, and provided various quotes from his publicly available testimony from 2016.
2) Within that testimony, he discussed his belief that with respect to children suffering from an underlying mitochondrial disorder, that inflammatory responses (which are caused by vaccines, but also viral/bacterial infections) can trigger or lead to a regressive autism.
3) In the new affidavit being pimped by Sharyl Attkisson (in the Hill piece you linked), he wrote "More specifically, I explained that in a subset of children with an underlying mitochondrial dysfunction, vaccine induced fever and immune stimulation that exceeded metabolic energy reserves could, and in at least one of my patients, did cause regressive encephalopathy with features of autism spectrum disorder."
4) In the opinion piece itself, that quote was adjusted to say "I explained that in a subset of children, vaccine-induced fever and immune stimulation did cause regressive brain disease with features of autism spectrum disorder."
5) In the 2016 testimony I provided, Zimmerman said "And the reason I believe that I was not called to testify in the Cedillo case was that I told them I think there are rare exceptions, like Poling, and therefore I was not asked to testify."
6) In the affidavit being pimped by Attkisson, Zimmerman wrote "Shortly after I clarified by opinions with the DOJ attorneys, I was contacted by one of the junior DOJ attorneys and informed that I would no longer be needed as an expert witness on behalf of H.H.S. The telephone call in which I was informed that the DOJ would no longer need me as a witness on behalf of H.H.S. occurred after the above referenced conversation on Friday, June 15, 2007, and before Monday, June 18, 2007."
7) Attkisson describes the quote in (4) as a bombs .
8) That same substantive quote was made in 2016 (2).
Are these underlying mitochondrial dysfunctions generally known ahead of time?
If I was a parent who had a child that was part of these subset, I'd sure want to be advised of the possible danger. Regardless of how small.
Then weigh that against the risk of MMR.
imo this is a fair line of inquiry
yes, these dysfunctions are generally known ahead of time.
also, this purported link, as far as we know, is the opinion of Dr. Zimmerman. To my knowledge, he hasn't even attempted to publish any research on the matter, nor has anybody else. Unless it's been researched/peer-reviewed/published, it won't carry any weight in academia or the professional field
also should be noted that the following exchange took place at the deposition
Q: So you, I think told us that you recommend vaccination of your patients with mitochondrial disorder, right?
A: Yes. Under ideal cir stances.
Q: And do you recommend vaccinations in your children and your patients who have had -- thought to have had a reaction to a vaccine?
A. I do, but again, they should be given under CDC guidelines for immunizations. The child should not be ill, should not have fever, should have no associated illnesses at the time they're vaccinated. And if the child has a known form of mitochondrial dysfunction, not only should they be free of immunization -- free of infections, we can recommend something to prevent inflammation."
So this same guy who raises the concerns STILL says he believes those children should be vaccinated but with additional precautions, such as an anti-inflammatory.
Fair enough. That being said, in the case of a parent whose kid has one of these dysfunctions, I would understand them not wanting to vaccinate. There's a good chance I wouldn't want to do this.
Where the risk of them getting MMR is small and the risk of them dying from it is extremely small. Compared to the also extremely minute risk of them developing an autism like condition that they'll have for life.
But I realize this is much different from the case the anti-vaccers make.
i wouldn't shape my opinions based on the personal opinion of a doctor unless its based on actual research. of course, that's not typically something you'd ask a doctor during a visit when he gives an opinion. but maybe it should be. as far as we know, this is one guy with an opinion, and not one based on any peer reviewed research
in a vacuum, this may be true. but we're not in a vacuum. when you have numbers of people having the same thought process, that's when you have issues. minnesota, aside from toddlers flying out of cars, saw a resurgence in measles because enough people there didn't care to vaccinate, because the risk of contracting mmr was considered to be so small. "herd immunity" is important because there are a number of children that for more legitimate and understood reasons, are actually unable to be vaccinated, and rely on the people around them being clean to prevent contracting illnessThere's a good chance I wouldn't want to do this. Where the risk of them getting MMR is small and the risk of them dying from it is extremely small. Compared to the also extremely minute risk of them developing an autism like condition that they'll have for life.
yeah, this guy isn't making the claim that there's something inherently dangerous in mmr vaccines. he's saying that generally, inflammatory responses could help trigger regressive autism. that vaccines cause inflammatory responses is obvious, that's how they're designed to work. it's not a hidden danger.But I realize this is much different from the case the anti-vaccers make.
You're full of .
ing hippie lib.
Chris, were you vaccinated? If so, that's pretty strong evidence of the connection between vaccines and autism.
Damnit, I thought I got to that low-hanging fruit first ...
you didnt even need to find another post. he literally name called (triggered21) in that very post
These are all good points. And I'm not disagreeing with the logic. But at the end of the day, IF I knew my kid had the dysfunction, and there was a legitimate opinion that said they MIGHT develop autistic like symptoms, then it would be difficult for me to go ahead with the vaccination. Regardless of the maco situation.
Although thinking it through, I suppose we (parents) make decisions contrary to that logic pretty frequently. Meaning exposing our kids to situations that have small risks associated with them. Letting them drive, serving certain foods, etc.
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