Question for Longtime Spurs Fans

[SouthTexasRancher]

Tbh I love the big 3, but Timmy and especially Tony would not play coming from the bench . Manu was pretty special like that.

I guarantee you that Tim would have if Pop said this is what we need to do to get the team back on track. Not saying for a career but................Tim was 'ALWAYS' team first. Tim could have averaged 30 points a game but, he, David Robinson, Tony and Manu were all Team First type of guys and sacrificed for te team and this is INDISPUTABLE! And Tony did come off the bench at times during his career but, mostly (96% of the time) he was a starter. You can all you want but, I seriously doubt you have ever played any team sports and definitely not at a championship level because you'd know I am absolutely, positively correct.

[Keepin' it real]

Lol "longtime" ... I thought this was gonna be an ABA question.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

lol manu already settled this debate

[alpha_HaZE]

Different eras. In this era, he'd be up there (not sure if he'd be as durable since he risked his body far more than Harden ever has). Fifteen years ago, however, I think he'd only get his team into the playoffs each year. Back then it was still a league dominated by big men.

Agreed 100%, I remember Pop saying that his body was full of bruises from the abuse he was taking. And it wasn't just his reckless play, but also opposing teams were roughing him up. It was a more physical game back then.

[R. DeMurre]

Hit us up when Harden actually wins something shiny!
(The golden shower Manu gave him in the 2017 playoffs doesn't count)

[John B]

I guarantee you that Tim would have if Pop said this is what we need to do to get the team back on track. Not saying for a career but................Tim was 'ALWAYS' team first. Tim could have averaged 30 points a game but, he, David Robinson, Tony and Manu were all Team First type of guys and sacrificed for te team and this is INDISPUTABLE! And Tony did come off the bench at times during his career but, mostly (96% of the time) he was a starter. You can all you want but, I seriously doubt you have ever played any team sports and definitely not at a championship level because you'd know I am absolutely, positively correct.

I've played pickup games but nothing serious. I've followed the Spurs for 30 years and I've been guilty using "team first" on my pep talks . And I know Timmy and TP are all team first, but you have to be the most naive guy to think that a number 1 overall draftpick of his class, one of the most dominant big man of his era, future best PF to ever held a basketball. Don't you think he didn't know he's all that? He's an alpha. And while Manu is also an alpha, he's no Tim Duncan. I love Manu but he's not the best at his position. Duncan was. Do you seriously think he would agree to play from the bench knowing he's the best out there? I also love TP, but he is egotistical and that's part of he's being also an alpha. Manu is special because he can see that the best way for the team is for him to play coming from the bench, to continue the spark from the 2nd unit so they don't miss a beat, and even extend the lead. But if you think he would play behind a lesser talent, you got to be ting me

[Xx_SpursNation_xX]

Harden is a better shooter, manu clearly has more heart. Manu will will his team to victory and Harden will not do that, it's all about his glory or bust.

[boutons_deux]

Manu was a compe or, a winner, an NBA/FIBA/Olympic multiple champion, which matters more than anything Harden has done so far.

[dbestpro]

Harden would not get the calls he gets today in any other era. He is simply a foul me master. Nothing more.

[DAF86]

Harden is a better shooter, manu clearly has more heart. Manu will will his team to victory and Harden will not do that, it's all about his glory or bust.

Not according to their shooting %

[UZER]

Their overall stats and styles can make it look like they are very similar.

But anyone who has watched years of playoff basketball will say, in a tough series give me Manu every day of the week. You can keep Harden on your team.

[rascal]

If Harden was a Spur and Manu a Rocket would most Spur fans still think Manu is better.

[DAF86]

If Harden was a Spur and Manu a Rocket would most Spur fans still think Manu is better.

What would you think if you were a Spurs fan?

[DJR210]

This is simple.. Harden's a pussy, Manu has huge balls. In review:

[RC_Drunkford]

This is simple.. Harden's a pussy, Manu has huge balls. In review:

that should be the new Rockets logo

[SouthTexasRancher]

I've played pickup games but nothing serious. I've followed the Spurs for 30 years and I've been guilty using "team first" on my pep talks . And I know Timmy and TP are all team first, but you have to be the most naive guy to think that a number 1 overall draftpick of his class, one of the most dominant big man of his era, future best PF to ever held a basketball. Don't you think he didn't know he's all that? He's an alpha. And while Manu is also an alpha, he's no Tim Duncan. I love Manu but he's not the best at his position. Duncan was. Do you seriously think he would agree to play from the bench knowing he's the best out there? I also love TP, but he is egotistical and that's part of he's being also an alpha. Manu is special because he can see that the best way for the team is for him to play coming from the bench, to continue the spark from the 2nd unit so they don't miss a beat, and even extend the lead. But if you think he would play behind a lesser talent, you got to be ting me

JohnB, I realize 'smart' is not in your DNA and that you have NOT learned how to read so I am not going to spend any time on a doofus like you. Here is what I said and I quote it and bold it in case you are as blind as you are stupid..."I guarantee you that Tim would have if Pop said this is what we need to do to get the team back on track. Not saying for a career but................Tim was 'ALWAYS' team first".

Now go get an adult to read this to you and explain it. And FWIW, I've got 2 day old cow patties on the ground smarter than you! What an 'effin' bozo.

[SouthTexasRancher]

I've played pickup games but nothing serious. I've followed the Spurs for 30 years and I've been guilty using "team first" on my pep talks . And I know Timmy and TP are all team first, but you have to be the most naive guy to think that a number 1 overall draftpick of his class, one of the most dominant big man of his era, future best PF to ever held a basketball. Don't you think he didn't know he's all that? He's an alpha. And while Manu is also an alpha, he's no Tim Duncan. I love Manu but he's not the best at his position. Duncan was. Do you seriously think he would agree to play from the bench knowing he's the best out there? I also love TP, but he is egotistical and that's part of he's being also an alpha. Manu is special because he can see that the best way for the team is for him to play coming from the bench, to continue the spark from the 2nd unit so they don't miss a beat, and even extend the lead. But if you think he would play behind a lesser talent, you got to be ting me

BTW, I could tell you have never played team sports of any kind. In the first place being a starter is not what it is made out to be. In any sport you might have one guy who is a of a kickoff returner or quick as greased lightening on the tip but, neither are very good during a game. They would be what we call a specialist. The coach then inserts the player off the bench who plays almost the whole game. Manu was this type of guy. Once in, he got the team on the floor fired up. If the Spurs were in a slump at say the start of the season because our bench was made up of 1st or 2nd year players Pop may have gone to Tim and told him what needed to be done for afew games. Tim would have done it without ing for one second......because he was a team first type of guy. For the record I played football for 17 years from the 7th grade on with a few championships during that time. I saw first hand what it took. Having said that you are a bigger asshole than our biggest bull has on his butt. Now stuff it.

[John B]

BTW, I could tell you have never played team sports of any kind. In the first place being a starter is not what it is made out to be. In any sport you might have one guy who is a of a kickoff returner or quick as greased lightening on the tip but, neither are very good during a game. They would be what we call a specialist. The coach then inserts the player off the bench who plays almost the whole game. Manu was this type of guy. Once in, he got the team on the floor fired up. If the Spurs were in a slump at say the start of the season because our bench was made up of 1st or 2nd year players Pop may have gone to Tim and told him what needed to be done for afew games. Tim would have done it without ing for one second......because he was a team first type of guy. For the record I played football for 17 years from the 7th grade on with a few championships during that time. I saw first hand what it took. Having said that you are a bigger asshole than our biggest bull has on his butt. Now stuff it.

Duncan and TP would have never played from the bench fool. Have you seen clips of Pop barking at TP to give the ball to Kiwi? And that was towards the end of his career when the torch was needed to be passed. He said it was his team from 2009 to 2015? And you expect this guy to play behind Mills? Hill? Neal? Duncan is a one-in-a-lifetime player and you want him to play from the bench to help the 2nd unit? And he would’ve agreed to it? How about the 1st unit? I don’t care if you played 17 years and maybe got hit too many times but you don’t play your best player from the bench. Manu, as much as I love Manu, was not the best player but Duncan. Manu played 6th man to continue what Duncan/TP did with the 2nd team and extend the lead as I said. But he finished because he was one of the best closer. In a team with no Duncan or less talent, Manu would have not played 6th man. Btw don’t start your argument with personal attack that’s like 12 years old . Believe me I wouldn’t like Spurs this much if I didn’t play ball. Because they are boring to people who only likes dunks. Yes “boring” to people who doesn’t understand team play. I appreciate team play before all the bandwagon on Pop as the best coach. Peace bruh.

[Raven]

the thing that separates Manu from the rest of the greats, is his flair. At any point in time he can do something nobody thought of or imagined. On the other hand, players like durant, curry, harden achieve their greatness from, relying on the same play being done over and over and that play being unguardable. It's very different and not worthy of comparison.

[diego]

the thing that separates Manu from the rest of the greats, is his flair. At any point in time he can do something nobody thought of or imagined. On the other hand, players like durant, curry, harden achieve their greatness from, relying on the same play being done over and over and that play being unguardable. It's very different and not worthy of comparison.

Yep, harden is all calculated and mechanical, manu was all improvised and over exerted. That's also why harden and the like can play huge minutes, they're not diving for loose balls, taking charges, driving on four defenders.

I think harden is a better offensive player from this standpoint, he can carry an offense over a season much easier than manu, but manu is 10x the playoff performer because of his ability to adapt and physically takeover, harden has never had a playoff run like Manu in 2005

[SpursDynasty85]

Harden would not get the calls he gets today in any other era. He is simply a foul me master. Nothing more.

Not quite that but he is really the posterboy for today's NBA soft league. His ability to dribble, pass, break down defenses, and shoot 3 pointers is ridiculous, not to mention his finishing ability while driving to the basket. Top notch offensive player. Could be a good defender but does not have the heart. Objectively speaking you could make an argument for him over Manu all day but I take Manu everytime. I really dislike Harden.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yep, harden is all calculated and mechanical, manu was all improvised and over exerted. That's also why harden and the like can play huge minutes, they're not diving for loose balls, taking charges, driving on four defenders.

I think harden is a better offensive player from this standpoint, he can carry an offense over a season much easier than manu, but manu is 10x the playoff performer because of his ability to adapt and physically takeover, harden has never had a playoff run like Manu in 2005

I wonder how many points Harden would've averaged against the 2005 Detroit Pistons...

[DJR210]

that should be the new Rockets logo

Encompasses everything about them tbh

[313]

Manure was decent but nowhere near James Hardon level

Please stop

[SouthTexasRancher]

Duncan and TP would have never played from the bench fool. Have you seen clips of Pop barking at TP to give the ball to Kiwi? And that was towards the end of his career when the torch was needed to be passed. He said it was his team from 2009 to 2015? And you expect this guy to play behind Mills? Hill? Neal? Duncan is a one-in-a-lifetime player and you want him to play from the bench to help the 2nd unit? And he would’ve agreed to it? How about the 1st unit? I don’t care if you played 17 years and maybe got hit too many times but you don’t play your best player from the bench. Manu, as much as I love Manu, was not the best player but Duncan. Manu played 6th man to continue what Duncan/TP did with the 2nd team and extend the lead as I said. But he finished because he was one of the best closer. In a team with no Duncan or less talent, Manu would have not played 6th man. Btw don’t start your argument with personal attack that’s like 12 years old . Believe me I wouldn’t like Spurs this much if I didn’t play ball. Because they are boring to people who only likes dunks. Yes “boring” to people who doesn’t understand team play. I appreciate team play before all the bandwagon on Pop as the best coach. Peace bruh.

John Bozo, the best and nicest thing I can say about you is you are one really stupidly dumb, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic ignoramus. You still don't have the slightest clue of how to read and actually comprehend what you tried to read. Get an education and in 15-20 years when and if you get your GED maybe we can talk. I realize that in your feeble empty noggin' you are the greatest driveway basketball player the world has ever seen. You get off beating the little 5 year old girls on your street. Remind me to get you a trophy you can put on your nightstand. It'll be a gold plated middle finger salute to you. Now I'm sorry but, I do not have the time to babysit you any longer. In the meantime go grab the nearest broomstick and cram it up your ass! And you can cram all of your lol's up your ass as well, head.