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    The only fallout Mitch cares about is people getting fed up because they can't travel, get their tax refunds, etc. This is where this is heading if the shutdown extends for too long, and he knows it. He can only quarterback his senators for so long, until pressure mounts, and it's going to be on him.

    He has bills from the House to fund the government he can put to a vote right now, this is why the Dems have nothing to lose. POTUS really overplayed his hand thinking the shutdown gave him leverage, and he completely misread the situation.

    What's worse, there's going to be 2 more years of chicanery like this.
    Nothing's overplayed. In the upcoming election, Democrats aren't going to be able BS that border security is any sort of priority. Americans don't want people coming in lowering their wages. If Dems were smart, they would've understood that from last presidential election. But lobbyists are steering their boat. This is a huge W for the president.

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    It clearly bothers you that I think a president isn't supposed to accomplish an eight-year agenda in one or two years.

    lol
    That's not what you did.

    "eight year agenda"

    Tell me, what was keeping him from asking Congress for 5 billion for a wall?

    For two whole years.

    Be specific.

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    spurtacular is easily the tiest poster on all of ST, maybe even all time. political takes, club threads, basketball takes. just kill yourself already

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    That's not what you did.

    "eight year agenda"

    Tell me, what was keeping him from asking Congress for 5 billion for a wall?

    For two whole years.

    Be specific.
    Tell me why 5 billion is a big deal when Congress has voted 40 billion for it in the past.

    Be specific.

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    Tell me why 5 billion is a big deal when Congress has voted 40 billion for it in the past.

    Be specific.
    Exactly-- so why did Trump wait until he was in his weakest political position to ask Congress for it?

    Explain.

    Be specific.

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    Americans don't want people coming in lowering their wages.
    Trump does, that's why he hires them. If Trump and Republicans cared about illegals coming in and lowering Americans' wages they'd have made it a jailable crime to hire illegals when they had full control of Washington. But they didn't because Trump and the GOP love illegal immigration every bit as much as the Democrats do.

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    Trump does, that's why he hires them. If Trump and Republicans cared about illegals coming in and lowering Americans' wages they'd have made it a jailable crime to hire illegals when they had full control of Washington. But they didn't because Trump and the GOP love illegal immigration every bit as much as the Democrats do.
    100% stone cold truth.

    We see it here in California where our s bag Demo politicans flat out state that someone needs to pick the fruit and tend to the farms and the Repubs want them to be their towel and cabana boys and maids at their exotic resorts.

    IF Americans overall cared about the "lowering of wages", they'd be honest with themselves and just admit there are Americans, lots of Americans that are not above doing this work for those wages. Our en lement society has a real bad case of "keeping up with the Joneses" and think everyone who lives in this country should be en led to a higher quality of life they aren't qualified to and they would insist that more "real life" skills classes be made available to them in public school.

    More economics, tradesman courses (basically anything that an ITT tech would offer for exorbitant tuitions to kids not accepted to traditional colleges or looking to be a tradesman or IT tech) and entrepreneurial courses should all be part of high school. Simple and the easiest way to send more productive and qualified people into the adult world.

    Instead we send out severely under prepared idiots into the real world with zero real world preparation who expect an instant middle class or better living despite not having skills, or the proper expectations.

    It starts with our society producing over en led citizens first and having to be real and accept certain realities they aren't willing to accept.

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    > cheap labor

    Isn't automation here? Just looks like a ploy to further drop the white percentage and thus Republican voting base.

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    True robot nannies, maids and construction workers have made people completely unnecessary for anything.

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    Exactly-- so why did Trump wait until he was in his weakest political position to ask Congress for it?

    Explain.

    Be specific.
    It's your conspiracy theory. Go ahead and explain it.

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    spurtacular is easily the tiest poster on all of ST, maybe even all time. political takes, club threads, basketball takes. just kill yourself already
    Alt outburst.

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    It's your conspiracy theory. Go ahead and explain it.
    He didn't care about it and congressional Republicans DEFINITELY didn't care about it.

    Otherwise, Trump would have asked for it and Republicans would have voted for it when they had their best numbers.

    That's how legislation works.

    There's my theory.

    What's your explanation, derp?

    Step up.

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    you do the same exact thing.

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    You can't automate everything you dumb .
    325.7 Million Americans isn't enough to fill in the gaps?

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    No you dumb . It's been a problem for decades.
    The technology is growing not shrinking.

    The global population should be SHRINKING. Amount of resources is shrinking.

    America should be focused on vertical expansion and reinvesting in educating its own not importing college students from overseas. You're so out of the loop you're still focused on the strawberry industry

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    100% stone cold truth.

    We see it here in California where our s bag Demo politicans flat out state that someone needs to pick the fruit and tend to the farms and the Repubs want them to be their towel and cabana boys and maids at their exotic resorts.

    IF Americans overall cared about the "lowering of wages", they'd be honest with themselves and just admit there are Americans, lots of Americans that are not above doing this work for those wages. Our en lement society has a real bad case of "keeping up with the Joneses" and think everyone who lives in this country should be en led to a higher quality of life they aren't qualified to and they would insist that more "real life" skills classes be made available to them in public school.

    More economics, tradesman courses (basically anything that an ITT tech would offer for exorbitant tuitions to kids not accepted to traditional colleges or looking to be a tradesman or IT tech) and entrepreneurial courses should all be part of high school. Simple and the easiest way to send more productive and qualified people into the adult world.

    Instead we send out severely under prepared idiots into the real world with zero real world preparation who expect an instant middle class or better living despite not having skills, or the proper expectations.

    It starts with our society producing over en led citizens first and having to be real and accept certain realities they aren't willing to accept.
    I saw this youtube video with machines that pick blueberries, lemons and strawberries and if these machines are any indication, soon there won't be a need for anyone to pick fruit - just someone to drive the machines over the fruit trees. They were nothing short of miraculous - perfect blueberries ready to be packaged. The strawberries machine had a conveyor belt where a single person loaded the strawberries right into the containers (out there in the field). The lemon one had about 8 cranes that needed 8 people to pick the lemons (one higher, one below) as the machine drove by the lemon trees.

    At ds' school, there is a big push for almost the entire population to go to college - they actually advertise that in their orientation. It's a source of pride that most will be first generation college graduates (very high hispanic immigrant population) instead of useful trades like electrician, plumbing, etc. These days, if one isn't going into the health or IT/computer fields, it won't be so easy to live that American dream with a college degree (especially with the debt incurred).

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    And yet illegals still do most of the manual labor. They ain't going away in the near future too.

    A growing population and no American wants those jobs. It's like a fact of ing life. I can tell you don't live here just on that.
    Is that because America is unable or unwilling to educate/train its own? Average American can't manually fix or cook anything.

    Schools dropped home ec and wood shop in favor of social awareness/sex ed classes - pushed by Liberals

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    Not everything is on a ing tree.

    You got to be some ing re .
    It's just a matter of time. Anything repe ive - even white collar work will be likely replaced - see e.g. a radiologist - computers can read/process those x-rays/pics much faster and more accurately.

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    Robot nannies.

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    Probably doctors before nurses.

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    Is that because America is unable or unwilling to educate/train its own? Average American can't manually fix or cook anything.

    Schools dropped home ec and wood shop in favor of social awareness/sex ed classes - pushed by Liberals
    what? Those classes got dropped because of the re ed emphasis on standardized testing that we’ve seen in K-12 education the last ~30 years or so, has nothing to do with a liberal agenda (same reason there’s less PE, schools are focused on cramming for standardized testing so they can compete for funding). Sex Ed isn’t even taught in high school when those classes used to be taught, it’s almost always in middle school.

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    Probably doctors before nurses.
    What does that have to do with nannies?

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    He didn't care about it and congressional Republicans DEFINITELY didn't care about it.

    Otherwise, Trump would have asked for it and Republicans would have voted for it when they had their best numbers.

    That's how legislation works.

    There's my theory.

    What's your explanation, derp?

    Step up.
    I already explained that Trump had a comprehensive legislative agenda and that he had not yet unified Republicans.

    "Step up"
    Try listening next time.

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    you do the same exact thing.
    Cheeky takes vs. butthurt takes.


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    I already explained that Trump had a comprehensive legislative agenda and that he had not yet unified Republicans yet.

    "Step up"
    Try listening next time.
    How is it comprehensive if it doesn't include the wall?

    Explain.

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