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    The Brady/Manning argument is like the Russell/Chamberlain one. One day the Jordan of the NFL will come and nobody will give a about these two, tbh.
    Brady is the Jordan though, tbh.

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    LA still has the clear talent advantage, but the Pats have won 2 playoff games already against teams with clear talent advantages. Going with the Rams to win, but I’m at least somewhat confident in my boys.
    Another bye week for Brady and Gronk + playing in a dome makes me pretty confident. Brady looked unstoppable against San Diego coming off a bye week and I also like the idea of Belichick sitting in his office for the next 5 days coming up with a gameplan to beat McVay

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    As long as Talib doesn't ring, tbh.

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    This is true..similar to LeBron, Manning has to run his own system..
    And you just let him. Offense wasn't the reason the Pats won their first couple SB's, tbh.

    Either way, dok needs to pick a lane, tbh. On one hand he says that Manning needs to be the man and run his offense and on the other he says that he won two SB's as a game manager. He either accepts a game manager role or don't, which is it?

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    The Brady/Manning argument is like the Russell/Chamberlain one. One day the Jordan of the NFL will come and nobody will give a about these two, tbh.
    Brady is Jordan, though, nobody will ever beat him in narratives..it's not actually comparable, since Jordan had far more impact than Brady(or any possible QB in NFL history, since it's a position that relies on everything to be perfect to succeed), but we'll never see a QB with Brady's accolades ever again..

    Winning and reaching that many SBs requires an almost impossible combination of skill, intelligence, luck and perfect cir stances in a 1-game elimination sport..

    Jordan is the greatest individual athlete of the major sports, but he had perfect cir stances to reach his accolades..won't ever happen again..

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    Congrats to the Pats (gag).

    That "roughing the passer" call, tho. Smh

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    LA still has the clear talent advantage, but the Pats have won 2 playoff games already against teams with clear talent advantages. Going with the Rams to win, but I’m at least somewhat confident in my boys.
    I don't think the Rams are that talented IMO..

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    Brady is the Jordan though, tbh.
    If he wins this year it'll be really difficult for someone to ever surpass him, 6 superbowls in a league with this much parity is way more impressive than Jordan winning 6 championships against ty teams like the Stockton and Malone Jazz.

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    And you just let him. Offense wasn't the reason the Pats son their first couple SB's, tbh.

    Either way, @dok needs to pick a lane, tbh. On one hand he says that Manning needs to be the man and run his offense and on the other he says that he won two SB's as a game manager. He either accepts a game manager role or don't, which is it?
    He ran his own game manager offense and got lucky with elite defenses that didn't require any points to be scored, pretty simple actually.

    And pretty sure offense had something to do with New England beating Carolina 32-29 in its 2nd superbowl.

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    He got benched for Brock ing Osweiler because the coach wanted to send a message that he's an uncoachable piece of

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    There’s clearly a ton of middle ground between uncoachable control freak and ty game manager.
    In Manning's last season in Denver he managed to be both, which is why they needed to bench him for Brock ing Osweiler () in order to send a message.

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    I think 2000 Shaq was, but his peak didn't last long so Duncan still had the way better career.
    By virtue of his body, Shaq was gonna have high FG% especially at peak. But as far as just dominating a game goes, I think TD was better at peak. Shaq was gonna need a Kobe to do some of the lifting. TD could go out and get a quadruple double just about as necessary at his peak.

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    Brady is Jordan, though, nobody will ever beat him in narratives..it's not actually comparable, since Jordan had far more impact than Brady(or any possible QB in NFL history, since it's a position that relies on everything to be perfect to succeed), but we'll never see a QB with Brady's accolades ever again..

    Winning and reaching that many SBs requires an almost impossible combination of skill, intelligence, luck and perfect cir stances in a 1-game elimination sport..
    I don't think winning 5/6 rings is unreachable, tbh. Also, you don't need to reach that number to be considered the GOAT, just like Jordan didn't need to reach 11.

    A true elite talent since day one, breaking all the records on a pass happy NFL and winning 3 or 4 superbowls without ever being a game manager would easily replace Brady as the GOAT in the mind of most folks, imho.

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    The Brady/Manning argument is like the Russell/Chamberlain one. One day the Jordan of the NFL will come and nobody will give a about these two, tbh.
    It took Brady 7 SB appearances and 5 rings during a 20 year dynasty to start being widely seen as the GOAT, the odds of another organization replicating a 20 year dynasty in our lifetime are non-existent and it's a hard sell even beyond that. This isn't the nba It's an extremely physical sport with a hard cap.

    Plus Brady did it in the modern era. Basketball was so different during the Russell/Chamberlain era, might as well be called another name

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    Today was an example of why no league or other sport in America will ever touch the NFL

    Terrible officiating, CTE, domestic violence, whatever it is, doesn't matter..nothing else in this part of the world can give you this type of entertainment in sports..

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    Myhomie’s voice does not match his body tbh.

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    It took Brady 7 SB appearances and 5 rings during a 20 year dynasty to start being widely seen as the GOAT, the odds of another organization replicating a 20 year dynasty in our lifetime are non-existent and it's a hard sell even beyond that. This isn't the nba It's an extremely physical sport with a hard cap.

    Plus Brady did it in the modern era. Basketball was so different during the Russell/ Chamberlain era, might as well be called another name
    Exactly. Just look at how much the hard cap/injuries decimated the Seahawks after they looked like a dynasty in the making after the 2013 season. There's so much parity in the NFL that winning > 1 superbowl with the same core of players is extremely difficult, let alone 3-4.

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    It took Brady 7 SB appearances and 5 rings during a 20 year dynasty to start being widely seen as the GOAT, the odds of another organization replicating a 20 year dynasty in our lifetime are non-existent and it's a hard sell even beyond that. This isn't the nba It's an extremely physical sport with a hard cap.

    Plus Brady did it in the modern era. Basketball was so different during the Russell/Chamberlain era, might as well be called another name
    This actually works in my favour. In fact, I was about to use it as an argument why he isn't Jordan.

    The reason why so many folks had (and still have) a hard time placing Brady as the GOAT despite all his success is because he was never as individually dominant as a Jordan in basketball. MJ was so above everything we had seen before that he was widely considered the GOAT even after his first 3peat, he didn't even need the second one.

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    Either way, using draft position as a knock against Brady is re ed.
    Ginobili sucked. He was the 57th pick in the draft. (Let's see if this gets him fired up)

    Come at me bro.....

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    I don't think winning 5/6 rings is unreachable, tbh. Also, you don't need to reach that number to be considered the GOAT, just like Jordan didn't need to reach 11.

    A true elite talent since day one, breaking all the records on a pass happy NFL and winning 3 or 4 superbowls without ever being a game manager would easily replace Brady as the GOAT in the mind of most folks, imho.
    You know how hard that is to achieve, though?

    MANY smart football people consider Aaron Rodgers to be the most talented QB of all-time(based on the combination of arm talent and mobility), yet he's only reached ONE super bowl..

    Brady's arguably the smartest QB of all-time(on-field), a great talent AND he the cir stances in his favor like Jordan did..

    It's not like basketball, you can't will your way to the Finals in football..not just that, but there's a pretty high chance that you'll suffer from a serious injury in any given season(even Brady missed an entire year)..anything is possible, but the odds of a team/QB having another run like this is unlikely..

    Brady will be considered the GOAT for a loooong time..

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    This actually works in my favour. In fact, I was about to use it as an argument why he isn't Jordan.

    The reason why so many folks had (and still have) a hard time placing Brady as the GOAT despite all his success is because he was never as individually dominant as a Jordan in basketball. MJ was so above everything se has seen before that he was widely considered the GOAT even after his first 3peat, he didn't even need the second one.
    No one still has a hard time calling Brady the GOAT outside of Manning/Montana fanboys. Everyone else has accepted it.

    There's no individual way to dominate a football game like you can at basketball. In basketball being the best player on the court automatically gives your team a chance at winning, in football no matter how good you are you need a team around you. There's never going to be any one person who can impact a football game as much as MJ impacted a basketball game.

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    So you think that if Peyton and Brady swapped cir stances (teams to start careers basically), Brady would still be the more accomplished QB of the two in terms of teams' accomplishments?
    yes tbh. manning was always much better in reg season than playoffs... brady has always been as good or better in playoffs. thats on the player, not the team

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    You know how hard that is to achieve, though?

    MANY smart football people consider Aaron Rodgers to be the most talented QB of all-time(based on the combination of arm talent and mobility), yet he's only reached ONE super bowl..

    Brady's arguably the smartest QB of all-time(on-field), a great talent AND he the cir stances in his favor like Jordan did..

    It's not like basketball, you can't will your way to the Finals in football..not just that, but there's a pretty high chance that you'll suffer from a serious injury in any given season(even Brady missed an entire year)
    I know how hard it is to achieve that's why once it happens it will be the GOAT. I just think it will happen.

    In terms of individual stats and accolades we know that any QB that appears from now on will have an advantage because of the pass happy era we are in.

    Then it's just a matter of someone winning 3 or 4 SB's and that's it.

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    If he wins this year it'll be really difficult for someone to ever surpass him, 6 superbowls in a league with this much parity is way more impressive than Jordan winning 6 championships against ty teams like the Stockton and Malone Jazz.
    It already feels difficult for anybody to surpass him, tbh.

    Mahomes has a bright future but even if he wins 2-3 more MVPs and 3 rings in the next decade he wouldn't surpass Brady

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