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    bandwagoner fans suck ducks's Avatar
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    Please tell me the cost and why the USA should have it

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    Bernie Sanders' 'Medicare for all' bill estimated to cost $32.6T

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    ducks is a sorry human being

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    Bernie Sanders' 'Medicare for all' bill estimated to cost $32.6T
    Over ten years that would be less than we're spending now, so thanks for bringing up that interesting fact.

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    Even if $32T were accurate, we sheep get fleeced, overcharged EVERY YEAR for $1T in excess health costs costs every year, and that keeps increasing.

    Medicare for All, whatever the cost, has enormous $$, humanitarian, and business savings. You could look it up.

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    Get back to sweeping, re

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    Once again, what's the story with ducks? Is he actually mentally handicapped? Or is this the longest shtick in internet message board history?

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    Once again, what's the story with ducks? Is he actually mentally handicapped? Or is this the longest shtick in internet message board history?
    he is mentally handicapped...
    probably the biggest idiot of this board and that's not a small achievement

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    Once again, what's the story with ducks? Is he actually mentally handicapped? Or is this the longest shtick in internet message board history?
    Neither, I think he’s a reflection of the bum ing stupid trailer trash you’ll find in rural America.

    There might be a hint of autism there but other than that I think there are tens of millions of Americans just like ducks.

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    Neither, I think he’s a reflection of the bum ing stupid trailer trash you’ll find in rural America.

    There might be a hint of autism there but other than that I think there are tens of millions of Americans just like ducks.
    In terms of his views and inability to think independently on any issue, I certain agree he's not anything special.

    But his consistent inability to spell anything correctly and form complete sentences...Holy is that lack of education or some type of X-linked disorder?

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    Neither, I think he’s a reflection of the bum ing stupid trailer trash you’ll find in rural America.

    There might be a hint of autism there but other than that I think there are tens of millions of Americans just like ducks.
    and they vote

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    Even if $32T were accurate, we sheep get fleeced, overcharged EVERY YEAR for $1T in excess health costs costs every year, and that keeps increasing.

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    Of course it will keep increasing. BigAg, BigPharma, BigFood, and BigChem will ensure that.

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    don't forget BigAroma.

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    Once again, what's the story with ducks? Is he actually mentally handicapped? Or is this the longest shtick in internet message board history?
    He's severely obese. Close to 600 pounds.

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    He's severely obese. Close to 600 pounds.
    is this actually based off of anything?

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    Here's my take as I've lived under the US system and I've lived under the EU system of health care.

    If you're poor or lower working class the EU is a better place to live as you get guaranteed health insurance no matter what
    BUT there's a catch,the German health care system is creaky and old compared to the USA
    They pressure doctors not to offer start of the art or latest treatments for cost saving purposes and the customer service aspect is frankly antiquated
    So in essence advanced procedures that are routine for the USA are hard to come by or discouraged

    I had a friend here who had a skin condition that he spent months going round to different German doctors,specialists the works,he even started to do his own research and found some new costly drugs that had proven effective in trials tests.He couldn't get a German doctor to prescribe them,some even got angry at him for trying to tell them.

    A few months later he took a job back stateside and a US doctor got him on meds within a week that cleared up his skin condition that had tormented him for years in Germany.
    Anyone here who has a serious condition or disease like cancer and has money goes to the US for treatment.

    Germany does the basics better for EVERYONE but beyond that,the middle class and up gets screwed(there IS private insurance in Germany too but its basically only for higher earners) as they pay a lot for health insurance that by American standards isn't that good.

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    Please tell me the cost and why the USA should have it
    About the same amount that Trump has looted in 2 years as fraud president.

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    Please inform me what government-run program has EVER come close to cost estimates? Medicare, Medicaid, SS, VA, ....

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    Please inform me what government-run program has EVER come close to cost estimates? Medicare, Medicaid, SS, VA, ....
    OK, what's Trump's healthcare plan for the US?

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    OK, what's Trump's healthcare plan for the US?
    mumble mumble state lines mumble mumble

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    OK, what's Trump's healthcare plan for the US?
    paraphrasing from his campaign LIE: better, cheaper, everyone covered

    We all know doing is much simpler than saying.

    or, easier done than said

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    Deflection - what is the le of this thread?

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    mumble mumble state lines mumble mumble
    Lol that state lines thing was so lame

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    Pretty soon the question will be: how much will it cost for Netflix for all? "Big Federal government gonna solve all my problems by taxing the rich man!"

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    Pretty soon the question will be: how much will it cost for Netflix for all? "Big Federal government gonna solve all my problems by taxing the rich man!"
    The low marginal rates we've had since Reagan was elected are actually the outlier. We think it's standard, because most of us weren't alive when the marginal rates were much higher. I'm not interested in petty partisan bull and follow the numbers. Since Reagan's tax cuts, middle class growth has stalled/declined while the top earners proverbially laugh all the way to the bank.

    https://rwer.wordpress.com/2017/08/1...iddle-class-2/

    You can correlate the declining middle class growth with Reagan's cuts:

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...108bad100aa2-c

    I used to be a Libertarian since it made logical sense to keep the government (which are historically untrustworthy en ies) out of our personal lives as much as possible, especially the economy. I'm still a Libertarian on social matters, but I think it's been proven that cuts for the rich do not "trickle down." The rich use those cuts for stock buybacks and/or hoard it to feed off the interest.

    https://www.marke ch.com/story/no...cks-2018-02-22

    Fun fact: Buy backs used to be illegal until 1982. Who was the president then?

    The shareholder primacy concept has made economic Libertarianism untenable. All CEOs care about is making shareholders happy over the short-term (quarterlies). Stock buybacks are a way of artificially boosting share prices. It's also why the Libertarian concept that companies will be environmentally, publicly, and socially responsible because they have incentive since it increases their bottom line (i.e. a company wouldn't willingly pollute land it owns because it would translate into making that land eventually worthless) is fanciful. They'll do whatever is necessary to keep share prices robust over the short-term.
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