Democrats now pushing many of the same socialist policies that destroyed Venezuela

[CosmicCowboy]

You do realize he inherited a $1.4 trillion dollar deficit right? He cut it by roughly 2/3 by the end of his presidency. Trump is adding to it. Why do you people forget to take into account the Great Recession, the deficit O inherited, the Bush tax cuts becoming permanent, increased Social Secutiy/Medicare spending as the Baby Boomers retired, Congress's budgets, along with the Afghanistan and Iraq wars? The debt did double under O, but the deficit decreased and his initiatives only cost about a trillion. I don't see you incessantly bringing up how Reagan and the Bush's blew up our deficit/debt, nor do I see you attack Trump for doing the same, so why do you persist in attacking Obama?

So Obama was responsible for sequestration?

might want to check your talking points.

[Blake]

Border Patrol is apprehending 60,000 illegal entries a month. That's enough to fill the Alamodome every month that we then catch and release. Sure sounds like we have a problem.

Were you begging for a wall back then?

Doubtful. Might want to check your talking points.

[Pavlov]

Border Patrol is apprehending 60,000 illegal entries a month.

Where are they apprehended?

[CosmicCowboy]

Where are they apprehended?

probably about 30,000 different places. Why does it matter, CHUMP?

[CosmicCowboy]

Were you begging for a wall back then?

Doubtful. Might want to check your talking points.

Yeah, you stupid dip . I have always wanted real border security and an end to illegal immigration.

[Pavlov]

probably about 30,000 different places. Why does it matter, CHUMP?

Were any apprehended at ports of entry?

[koriwhat]

Marx's end goal for communism was a completely stateless society, where social hierarchies wouldn't exist. A social hierarchy would naturally form with the implementation of government. Indeed a sham, since any group of people doing anything, whether cooking in the kitchen to running a company, would naturally stratify into a hierarchy anyway, even without the existence of government. Marx thought socialism to be a step on the way to pure communism. I think your examples would be defined more as social democracy than socialism, in the Marxian tradition, as a key tenet of socialism is public ownership of the means of production.

both are ing dumbass ideas that do nothing but ruin a nation(s).

[CosmicCowboy]

Were any apprehended at ports of entry?

Doesn't say. Not that it matters.

[Trill Clinton]

Where can I find information on who is hiring all of the illegals? I had a guy come fix my tub skirt and he didn't speak a lick of English. Once again, if these businesses would stop hiring illegals they'd stop coming.

[CosmicCowboy]

Where can I find information on who is hiring all of the illegals? I had a guy come fix my tub skirt and he didn't speak a lick of English. Once again, if these businesses would stop hiring illegals they'd stop coming.

I agree Everify should be mandatory and employers should be fined.

[Trill Clinton]

I agree Everify should be mandatory and employers should be fined.

Loss of license and six figure fines instead of $250-$10,000 would be a start. A $250 fine is a drop in a bucket and if this is a crises then treat ALL parties equally and send a message.

[CosmicCowboy]

Loss of license and six figure fines instead of $250-$10,000 would be a start. A $250 fine is a drop in a bucket and if this is a crises then treat ALL parties equally and send a message.

It should still be relative. Your average tree trimmer crew boss shouldn't pay the same as Tyson foods but both should hurt.

[Blake]

Yeah, you stupid dip . I have always wanted real border security and an end to illegal immigration.

Doubtful you ever begged for a Trump type wall.

[Pavlov]

Doesn't say. Not that it matters.

Of course it matters where they are stopped.

[Blake]

Of course it matters where they are stopped.

The stops at the wall check points don't count!

[ducks]

No one should give a penny to the illegals
If they did they would not come
Giving them free access to hospitals are wrong
Stop the hand outs and stop employing them !

[ducks]

Of course it matters where they are stopped.

Why they need to be stopped at ports and every damm inch of USA soil

[ducks]

Be hard on some here but the greater good for all the people trying to get here in the USA
They want trump to be their president !

[ducks]

The stops at the wall check points don't count!

Put walls around then do not need to employee as many and be much better effective. You should try to be one with no walls and not be allowed to shot at them even when they shot at you

[Blake]

Put walls around then do not need to employee as many and be much better effective. You should try to be one with no walls and not be allowed to shot at them even when they shot at you

Because walls will maintain themselves! For cheap!

[ducks]

They last a long time if you build them right
And when they neeed repair you hire construction people not board patrol people

[ElNono]

Marx's end goal for communism was a completely stateless society, where social hierarchies wouldn't exist. A social hierarchy would naturally form with the implementation of government. Indeed a sham, since any group of people doing anything, whether cooking in the kitchen to running a company, would naturally stratify into a hierarchy anyway, even without the existence of government. Marx thought socialism to be a step on the way to pure communism. I think your examples would be defined more as social democracy than socialism, in the Marxian tradition, as a key tenet of socialism is public ownership of the means of production.

Right, that’s why you can have a ‘social democracy’, whereas communism is in itself a form of government (Marx would say it’s the ultimate expression of democracy, since everyone would be theoretically equal, although it wouldn’t be a representative democracy).

[midnightpulp]

It should still be relative. Your average tree trimmer crew boss shouldn't pay the same as Tyson foods but both should hurt.

Why not make the path to citizenship easier for working and behaved illegal immigrants? The small trimming business probably can't afford to pay American workers the wages they want (or even find willing Americans to do the work. Do you really think a modern teenager raised on nothing but technology who's never had a job is going to want to trim trees in the sun for 8 hours, even as a summer job?) Is the reduced labor cost not a win-win all around?

[spurraider21]

Why not make the path to citizenship easier for working and behaved illegal immigrants? The small trimming business probably can't afford to pay American workers the wages they want (or even find willing Americans to do the work. Do you really think a modern teenager raised on nothing but technology who's never had a job is going to want to trim trees in the sun for 8 hours, even as a summer job?) Is the reduced labor cost not a win-win all around?

well a pathway to legal status would imply legal wages, tbh

[baseline bum]

I agree Everify should be mandatory and employers should be fined.

They should be criminally prosecuted.