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why don't you tell us what they are, and I'll slap them, huh?
You heard about that WWII thing right?
why don't you tell us what they are, and I'll slap them, huh?
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USSR reached space first but after a few decades were technologically surpassed. How? Those weren't American scientist....
Anyhow, I think the American masses hold more cards here vis a vis the proposed tax increases on the rich since we, collectively, are by far the biggest consumer market in the world. I don't think the threat of, "Well, if you excessively tax Bezos et al, they'll just close up shop and move to Hong Kong" has a realistic chance of happening because no way would they want to lose access to this market. We're talking a consumer market almost the size of China and the EU combined. Americans aren't going to wait 2 weeks for a delivery from Amazon fulfillment centers in Hong Kong. "Well, maybe Bezos cuts a deal with Mexico or Canada?" Still a comparatively long shipping time. Some compe or will just take the 70% or whatever marginal tax hit and replicate Amazon's business model domestically, undercutting Bezos. This basically means while Amazon corporate HQ might be located off-shore to avoid paying taxes, Amazon would have no choice but to have a US headquarters (which would be the biggest Amazon arm) that would have to pay taxes regardless.
Same logic applies to Walmart, McDonalds, Apple, Microsoft, etc. You can say, "Well, every time a corporation sees a drop in revenue, which a 70% tax rate would definitely cause, they counter by cutting labor costs through layoffs and outsourcing." There will come a point where that tactic backfires since if you strangle the average American's purchasing power to that extent, it translates into reduced consumerism, meaning reduced profits. You can look at the data and see that the rising tide that truly lifts all boats is when the average American has more disposable income.
I’ve had the opposite experience. Like I followed up with, there’s only a handful of people that I even talk politics with. For the most part, they all disliked Hillary and assumed that Trump would be smart enough to 1) surround himself with smart people and 2) actually listen to them. I know at least two of them voted for Beto because they recognize Cruz as an idiot. If there is a reasonable Dem or Ind, I believe they won’t give Trump their votes.
The people I know who voted for Trump don't like to talk about it. They're quick to change the subject or whine about how politics is so divisive these days.
Dp
I don’t think anyone reasonable is proud they voted for Trump. Politics is divisive today. I don’t know that complaining about it is whining. Imo, it’s one of the biggest factors propelling this seeming hate train from both sides. People digging in on they really don’t care about just because the other side has the opposing view. And the media very rarely gives air time to anyone in the middle. It’s always a CNN report about racist rednecks or a Fox report about the communist left.
They don't know his history.
This guy has a cult of personality the likes of which I've never in US politics. It's incredible how his supporters take the he spews at face value and believe that Trump is or was ever a competent businessman. Daddy floated his little boy a little over 400 million (adjusted for inflation) over the years to rescue Trump's failures. He's probably made more money from that asinine reality show than from his business "empire." Trump is a celebrity, not much more. I'm convinced Trump supporters like Chris only like him because he's their way of countering the leftist iden y politic nonsense, which I admit is highly ing annoying. As a politician, Trump is totally bankrupt.
I agree politics is too divisive. I don't think anyone who voted for Donald Trump should be complaining about it, especially when they're usually hesitant to mention him as an example of the divisiveness.
Everyone I know who voted for Trump whines about how divisive politics is because of the Democrats.
The have a valid point, unfortunately. The Democrats banking on iden y politics over the last five or so years has been nothing but a cluster for them in terms of image. Every time twitter, Trevor Noah, Samatha Bee flips its collective when Brokaw suggests immigrants should learn English or accuses dumbass smiling teenagers of racism, a new Trump voter is born. He's the proverbial "Cletus's" way of returning politically uncorrect fire.
Meh McConnell's started ten years ago. He completely broke Washington.
You don’t actually truly believe this to be true, right? I mean, it takes a really special kind of dumb or gullible not to realize that’s just bluff and bluster...
"politics is too divisive"
people are divided, politics just plays, inflames, divides the game to win votes, esp the Repugs whose strategy of divisiveness, polarizaton, inflammation got into full swing in the early 90s, even GHWB and his Willie Horton fear-mongering, but esp with obstructive, destructive Noot Gingrich his 2 govt shutdowns vs Clinton.
The huge tax cuts of Repug 80s for the wealthy also got the billionaires deeply, divisively ino politics, eg, Mellon-Scaife financing witch hunts of both Clintons, supported by the Wealthy Class' rightwing hate media and rightwing stink tanks.
America is deeply divided, self-segregated, by religion, by locale, by race, by ethnicity, by wealth, by education, where being against out-groups overrides unity behind by America.
Even a large percentage of Trash's supporter poll as wanting or at least being ok with a dictatorship, since they think "democracy" and "Capitalism" have failed them, left them in poverty, near-poverty, precarity, too poor to get extractive medical care, killing themselves with drugs, alcohol, guns in records numbers
Then the politicized so-called Christian dominionists want America to be ing theocracy, which would also be authoritarian.
I have no doubt that no politician can be a unifying force.
iow, the myth of America as chosen, preferred by God, where everybody can be a millionaire, America as a Shining Light on a Hill, has proven to be a bull myth, is now, always was.
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lol falling for a ditzy billionaire with zero ideas.
What are his policies, CC?
*yawn*
I am not pimping for Schultz since he has zero chance of being elected but I do find it humorous that Democrats are losing their minds over him running as an independent advocating fiscal responsibility.
His fiscal responsibility is sanctimonious hore , if he was that concerned with fiscal responsibility he wouldn’t be advocating that he pay less taxes.
"The Democrats banking on iden y politics"
Repugs absolutely depend on White Male iden y politics, always grabbing a significant majority of the White Male vote.
And they and White Males flip out, always seeing any attempt at equality for the non-White non-Male people as attack on, persecution of White Male
what policy has he proposed?
or do you just like his sweet talk?
Fiscal responsibility is accomplished by revenue matching expenses. Both components are required.
I caught a brief interview of Shultz on NPR a few years ago.
He sounded weirdly robotic, drugged, monotone.
What I've of him talking recently proves that he's ing stupid.
Don't really understand why Dems think he would take Dem votes. Everything he says is pro-oligarchy, anti-non-oligarchy, he's 100% Repug. He's stupid enough to say he's independent, while being hard-core Repug.
I don’t disagree. He seems extremely focused on the expense side but not on the revenue side.
Maybe I’ve missed it, but I also haven’t heard him say anything about how much wasteful military spending there is, he seems completely focused on cutting en lements that primarily benefit poor people. He’s a Rockefeller Republican who puts a D next to his name because he’s pro abortion and pro immigration (and he’s only pro immigration because he benefits from suppressed wages).
FTR, I think taxes are too low across the board given where the national debt currently is.
I wasn't aware Schultz has said anything about balancing the budget. Can you point me to where he did?
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