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    Good luck selling that to a bunch of older people with 20-30 years left to live.
    The conversation has to start somewhere. If policies aren't even discussed, they don't get on the agenda.

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    Howard Schultz is reportedly 'freaking out' about the Democratic backlash to his presidential plans

    Apparently the predictability of that backlash was only understood by people without billions of dollars.

    With popular support for things like Medicare for all and increasing taxes on the wealthiest Americans and their corporations,

    it wasn’t surprising that a billionaire telling everyone that

    he didn’t really want to do those things didn’t get a joyous reception.

    According to outlets including Fox Business and Bloomberg,

    Schultz has put breaks on his soft rollout.

    Fox Business says Schultz is “freaking out” about the Democratic
    blowback he’s received,

    while Bloomberg reports that Schultz is saying he will only run
    “if he sees a plausible way to win the White House.”

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1831461

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    It also doesn't make sense that we're supposedly countering Russian and Chinese "super weapons" by continuing to waste billions on antiquated military technology that hasn't been used since WWII (tanks, submarines, aircraft carriers, fighter planes, etc.). By far the biggest Russian and Chinese threat we face is with cyber security, if we want to spend money on defense, it should be to bolster our cyber infrastructure. Otherwise, if Russia and China want to go bankrupt building "super weapons" that don't really matter in the nuclear age, we shouldn't try to beat them in a race to the bottom. This is even before considering how much other useful the troops we have stationed all over the world could be doing (fixing roads and bridges, improving our energy grid (which is laughably ty compared to countries like Germany)) or how much money we spend on the additional healthcare needs of veterans after we send them to fight stupid wars.

    A lot of stuff like bloated military spending has essentially become a job program masquerading as something else in order to put a band-aide on the giant gap that exists between the supply of low or no skill labor in this country vs. the demand for it, and that's a part of why it sticks around imo. Lockheed Martin alone has 100,000 employees and the overwhelming majority of them would be out of a job overnight if our military spending was at the level of EU countries. I'd also put the War on Drugs in that bucket too. We'd have god knows how many prison guards, drug enforcement police, prosecutors, etc. who would all be on their ass without the drug policy we've had since Nixon. The amount of jobs that get created by government programs Conservatives want even though the free market has no demand for those jobs is about as socialist as it gets.
    Yeah, I was on the same wavelength and was about to type the only sensible defensive spending in the modern age would be toward cyber security. Also, if we cut defense spending and funnel it toward healthcare, many of those same low-skilled jobs would still exist. Where you once went into the Army to become a soldier, you now go into the health care industry to be a medical aide, janitor, cafeteria worker, etc.

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    Howard Schultz is reportedly 'freaking out' about the Democratic backlash to his presidential plans

    Apparently the predictability of that backlash was only understood by people without billions of dollars.

    With popular support for things like Medicare for all and increasing taxes on the wealthiest Americans and their corporations,

    it wasn’t surprising that a billionaire telling everyone that

    he didn’t really want to do those things didn’t get a joyous reception.

    According to outlets including Fox Business and Bloomberg,

    Schultz has put breaks on his soft rollout.

    Fox Business says Schultz is “freaking out” about the Democratic
    blowback he’s received,

    while Bloomberg reports that Schultz is saying he will only run
    “if he sees a plausible way to win the White House.”

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1831461
    Hence why he ran as Independent...

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    If everyone paid taxes instead of half
    More money would come in

    You want it to be fair
    You do a flat tax at 2 percent
    Nothing is unfair about it
    It does not care if you are white,black, female, male, transfergender or a illegal, rich or poor

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    If everyone paid taxes instead of half
    More money would come in

    You want it to be fair
    You do a flat tax at 2 percent
    Nothing is unfair about it
    It does not care if you are white,black, female, male, transfer or a illegal, rich or poor
    Ducks, just stop now. That's just embarrassing.

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    SCHULTZ: The Candidate for Refugees

    he's going to sink faster than a rat with concrete boots on in the hudson river.

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    SCHULTZ: The Candidate for Refugees

    he's going to sink faster than a rat with concrete boots on in the hudson river.
    Schultz doesn’t give a about refugees either...he’s an oligarch who disguises wanting more low skilled workers in the country to suppress wages as a “love for immigrants”

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    Schultz doesn’t give a about refugees either...he’s an oligarch who disguises wanting more low skilled workers in the country to suppress wages as a “love for immigrants”
    well duh... but he ed up with his "we're going to hire more" because of djt. him and all the dems too; they're all 2 face.

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    There’s absolutely no reason to think he would take a noticeable amount of votes away from the Dem any more than he would Trump.

    Republicans are just saying he would play spoiler to “trigger muh libruhls”

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    There’s absolutely no reason to think he would take a noticeable amount of votes away from the Dem any more than he would Trump.

    Republicans are just saying he would play spoiler to “trigger muh libruhls”
    That's just dumb. Why are Democrats losing their minds over schultz then?

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    That's just dumb. Why are Democrats losing their minds over schultz then?
    Because they’re easily triggered by the thought of Trump winning re-election to the point where they can’t think coherently about it, same reason they lose their mind about other stupid crap.

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    If everyone paid taxes instead of half
    More money would come in

    You want it to be fair
    You do a flat tax at 2 percent
    Nothing is unfair about it
    It does not care if you are white,black, female, male, transfergender or a illegal, rich or poor
    And if you would quit posting the collective IQ of this forum would go up by 50...but neither of those things is going to happen, obviously.

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    Because they’re easily triggered by the thought of Trump winning re-election to the point where they can’t think coherently about it, same reason they lose their mind about other stupid crap.
    HS is hard right, pro-wealthy, independent centrist in dishonest self-anointed name only, he would take more votes from Trash than from the Dems

    He wouldn't be another Nader/Stein vote-splitting Dem-killer

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    Howard Schultz Says Billionaires Should Be Called ‘People of Means’ (Video)

    "All I am trying to do is one thing: walk in the shoes of the American people,"


    https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment...d-13590401.php

    Howie has a LOT money than brains



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