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    Conservatives don't want this deal at all yet they are putting it up for vote.
    Damn straight, spanky. Put up or shut up.

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    Damn straight, spanky. Put up or shut up.

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    I think its ing hilarious. AOC's puppet master ed em all by putting out that whacko FAQ.

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    "Put up or shut up"

    wannabe macho tough talk from Cosmic Parasite.

    tell us again how ing wealthy you are, it makes your swell





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    Put up or shut up.

    wannabe macho tough talk from Cosmic Parasite.

    tell us again how ing wealthy you are, it makes you swell




    Tell us again how you want the government to give you everything because you are a ing loser.

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    I think its ing hilarious. AOC's puppet master ed em all by putting out that whacko FAQ.
    It's such whacko legislation that your guys are proposing it in the Senate and you're cheering them for it.

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    It's such whacko legislation that your guys are proposing it in the Senate and you're cheering them for it.
    Yep. Every senator should make it public whether they are for or against it. Seems only fair to see where the elected representatives stand. I assume you would want to vote against the ones that are against it, right?

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    If the Democrats didn't want to vote on it, they shouldn't have proposed the resolution.

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    It's such whacko legislation that your guys are proposing it in the Senate and you're cheering them for it.
    Get your facts straight. Democrats proposed the legislation. Now they get to vote on it.

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    I get the strategy, but it’s not going to matter. Which Democratic Senate seats (outside of Doug Jones in Alabama, who’s losing either way) are really up for grabs in 2020? Minnesota and Michigan? Even those seats are going to be tough for a Republican to take, and by 2022 any political stunt like this is going to be long forgotten.

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    I get the strategy, but it’s not going to matter. Which Democratic Senate seats (outside of Doug Jones in Alabama, who’s losing either way) are really up for grabs in 2020? Minnesota and Michigan? Even those seats are going to be tough for a Republican to take, and by 2022 any political stunt like this is going to be long forgotten.
    Maybe, maybe not. Three senators running for president are on board. Like I said, AOCs puppetmaster ed em with that FAQ. Republicans are gonna shove cow farts and airplanes up their ass.

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    Maybe, maybe not. Three senators running for president are on board. Like I said, AOCs puppetmaster ed em with that FAQ. Republicans are gonna shove cow farts and airplanes up their ass.
    If moderates and independents hate the green new deal as much as you and other Republicans do, then yeah maybe it’ll affect the presidential race, but I have yet to see any polling data suggesting that’s the case. The only people I see whaling about how evil the GND is are people voting Republican come or high water.

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    Of course, the weenies that want to play both sides will just vote "present".

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    Can conservatives articulate their problems with the Green New Deal or any efforts to curb humanity's collective carbon footprint? Let's look at some facts:

    There is, in fact, a fairly large consensus — as high as 97 percent based upon multiple studies of varying size, composition and method — that human emissions have been the primary driving force behind observed changes to the climate.
    From an article (Factcheck, which is non-partisan) debunking the conservative effort to debunk the claim from advocates that the scientific community is in strong consensus that humans are significantly contributing to climate change.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/sa...sensus-claims/

    To ignore these facts would take an extreme leap of faith that the overwhelming majority of climate scientists are involved in some evil liberal conspiracy to impose "evil socialism" through environmental regulation reform.

    The "Who pays for it?" argument.

    Referring to the point above, climate scientists agree that this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed sooner than latter. The last serious issue the US faced was World War 2, and it took a collective and sacrificial effort from the country (rationing, donating steel and copper, an unprecedented 94% marginal tax rate). We can "pay for it" if we want to. But unfortunately, since the threat isn't immediate, as in severely affecting life right now, conservatives think there isn't a looming problem. I trust the scientists in good faith of their claim that there is a looming problem. Why are conservatives against proactive measures in this regard? Is driving around a Hummer on the local streets or consuming some latest cheap-plastic-crap from China every month really that important to you?

    "Jerbs"

    Argument is that the blue collar chaps who work in the coal and fossil fuel industries will lose their jobs on a massive scale. But if we do this right, we can transition those workers into the new jobs that will no doubt be created. Cortez's timescale for this is obviously optimistic (12 years isn't enough time to totally transform the energy industry), but we need to start now nevertheless.

    Conservatives haven't really presented a compelling counterargument, other than emotional appeals to socialism and job loss. I think the core issue is that conservatives have some kind of penis envy that they didn't first identify the issue contra Al Gore, long a boogeyman for the right.

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    Requires too much reading.

    "It's socialism." Those are the magic words.

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    Can conservatives articulate their problems with the Green New Deal or any efforts to curb humanity's collective carbon footprint? Let's look at some facts:



    From an article (Factcheck, which is non-partisan) debunking the conservative effort to debunk the claim from advocates that the scientific community is in strong consensus that humans are significantly contributing to climate change.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/sa...sensus-claims/

    To ignore these facts would take an extreme leap of faith that the overwhelming majority of climate scientists are involved in some evil liberal conspiracy to impose "evil socialism" through environmental regulation reform.

    The "Who pays for it?" argument.

    Referring to the point above, climate scientists agree that this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed sooner than latter. The last serious issue the US faced was World War 2, and it took a collective and sacrificial effort from the country (rationing, donating steel and copper, an unprecedented 94% marginal tax rate). We can "pay for it" if we want to. But unfortunately, since the threat isn't immediate, as in severely affecting life right now, conservatives think there isn't a looming problem. I trust the scientists in good faith of their claim that there is a looming problem. Why are conservatives against proactive measures in this regard? Is driving around a Hummer on the local streets or consuming some latest cheap-plastic-crap from China every month really that important to you?

    "Jerbs"

    Argument is that the blue collar chaps who work in the coal and fossil fuel industries will lose their jobs on a massive scale. But if we do this right, we can transition those workers into the new jobs that will no doubt be created. Cortez's timescale for this is obviously optimistic (12 years isn't enough time to totally transform the energy industry), but we need to start now nevertheless.

    Conservatives haven't really presented a compelling counterargument, other than emotional appeals to socialism and job loss. I think the core issue is that conservatives have some kind of penis envy that they didn't first identify the issue contra Al Gore, long a boogeyman for the right.
    Doesnt matter when Trump s don’t view sources that disagree with them as nonpartisan regardless of how ridiculous they sound.

    Prior to Trump snopes.com used to be widely considered a nonpartisan site that could be used to fact check claims, but once it started fact checking Trump, the ducks/Chris crowd started crying about how it was fake news.

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    Get your facts straight. Democrats proposed the legislation. Now they get to vote on it.
    Don't be obtuse. McConnell has all the power in the world to block the resolution just like he blocked every liberal piece of legislation since 2011. He's allowing it to go forward, probably at the behest of the President, who has him by his pathetic nuts. Only the most privileged cheerleaders with nothing better to do with their lives, and nothing to lose, would agree with the Senate spending Congressional time on this partisan garbage, but maybe you're okay with anything that distracts from the fact that you've let Donald Trump take over your party.

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    Doesnt matter when Trump s don’t view sources that disagree with them as nonpartisan regardless of how ridiculous they sound.

    Prior to Trump snopes.com used to be widely considered a nonpartisan site that could be used to fact check claims, but once it started fact checking Trump, the ducks/Chris crowd started crying about how it was fake news.
    It's really, really disconcerting. Hannity will sit there and tell bald faced lies over and over and over and his audience will lap it up with gaping credulity. The latest spin was the late term abortion controversy, with Hannity et al describing it as basically abortion-on-demand, that a pregnant mother can just waltz into a clinic and have her 8 and 1/2 month fetus killed because she feels like it.

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    Requires too much reading.

    "It's socialism." Those are the magic words.
    Such an irritating and lazy deflection. It also makes no sense for conservatives to use that as an insult since they're the biggest socialists in the world.

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    It's really, really disconcerting. Hannity will sit there and tell bald faced lies over and over and over and his audience will lap it up with gaping credulity. The latest spin was the late term abortion controversy, with Hannity et al describing it as basically abortion-on-demand, that a pregnant mother can just waltz into a clinic and have her 8 and 1/2 month fetus killed because she feels like it.
    There’s always going to be people who lap the Hannity bull up, but it’s really disconcerting that it’s basically 1/3rd of the country.

    It seems like no matter what Trump says or does, his approval rating never dips below 35%.

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    There’s always going to be people who lap the Hannity bull up, but it’s really disconcerting that it’s basically 1/3rd of the country.

    It seems like no matter what Trump says or does, his approval rating never dips below 35%.
    I think the only thing that 35% cares about is pissing off liberals. Trump's cult-of-personality is also impenetrable. Ann Coulter calling you out would be a death sentence for any prior republican figure, but even she can't convince his base otherwise.

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    Don't be obtuse. McConnell has all the power in the world to block the resolution just like he blocked every liberal piece of legislation since 2011. He's allowing it to go forward, probably at the behest of the President, who has him by his pathetic nuts. Only the most privileged cheerleaders with nothing better to do with their lives, and nothing to lose, would agree with the Senate spending Congressional time on this partisan garbage, but maybe you're okay with anything that distracts from the fact that you've let Donald Trump take over your party.
    I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 and for the most part he is an embarrassment. That doesn't mean I have to support the economy destroying green dream. We have made great strides in improving air quality over the years and I'm sure we will do more in the future, but trying to ban fossil fuels for 325 million in 10 years while the other 7 billion on the planet don't is just plain ignorant.

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    There’s always going to be people who lap the Hannity bull up, but it’s really disconcerting that it’s basically 1/3rd of the country.

    It seems like no matter what Trump says or does, his approval rating never dips below 35%.
    Hannity's reach is a lot lower than it seems. Even at his highest ratings, his show and radio program are watched by less than 1% of American adults. You have to imagine there is some percentage of politically uninformed Americans who identify as a certain party and will rate approval accordingly. I don't know if 35% is the floor for a Republican President but it's probably close.

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    I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 and for the most part he is an embarrassment. That doesn't mean I have to support the economy destroying green dream. We have made great strides in improving air quality over the years and I'm sure we will do more in the future, but trying to ban fossil fuels for 325 million in 10 years while the other 7 billion on the planet don't is just plain ignorant.
    I know you don't like Trump but this is Congress we're talking about. If I didn't like my party's President I would expect my party's reps to push back a of a lot more than current Republicans are.

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    GND isn't garbage

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