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Forcing a bad faith vote on a non-binding resolution that has no chance of passing is.
IMO, Schumer's been around and knows it's bad politics (just as McConnell knows it's good politics) to put this RIDICULOUS deal up for vote. When my lunch group on Thursday is making fun of this GND (and these are Dem government workers), you know it's way out there for American mainstream.
Forcing a bad faith vote on a non-binding resolution that has no chance of passing is.
So are ANY of you REALLY in support of banning all fossil fuels in the US in ten years? That's basically what net zero would require.
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IMO, none of them are serious about it or they'd be riding/biking to work and not flying on airplanes (living their lives in support of what they REALLY believe). And I guess, since they aren't - they want the government to FORCE us all to.
If it's feasible, yes. It's obviously not, but we need to start working on their gradual phasing out.
Biking isn't an option if you commute some 10 or 20 miles. But most people I do know concerned about the issue make efforts to car pool, drive efficient cars, and don't fetishize dumb like Hummers.
Exactly. It's obviously not. We are already on a gradual path to reducing emissions without wrecking the economy.
They haven't made H2 hummers since 2009.
This is just for transportation related emissions (25% of the culprit, if I recall), and I don't see really any significant change:
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...trans_time.png
Vehicles have certainly gotten more efficient, but I would guess that the huge rise and dependency on online shopping has probably negated increased vehicle fuel efficiency.
We're supposed to wreck our economy (airline, cruise, transportation, etc) while the rest of the world continues to pollute. And then the yuan becomes the worldwide reserve currency - what s*** creek will we be up then? I tell ya - climate change - the new religion.
How is climate change a "religion" when it's supported by a scientific consensus? No one is banning airlines. Did you fall for some dumb right-wing news outlet telling you the GND wants to ban planes in favor of trains? It doesn't. And who gives a about China emerging into a hegemony when Florida is under water?
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...rming-science/
China will also be hit the hardest by climate change, so your re ed idea of them comfortably sitting as kings of the world while we perish away in our "wrecked economies" is, well, re ed.
You should join with the red-haired, sub sandwich eating namesake.
Didn't answer the question. How is climate change a religion when it's supported by the scientific community?
Its happening in power generation too. Converting from coal to natural gas has also helped.
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Geography and transportation are two blind spots of the GND.
https://grist.org/article/the-green-...als-huge-flaw/America is a nation of sprawl. More Americans live in suburbs than in cities, and the suburbs that we build are not the gridded, neighborly Mayberrys of our imagination. Rather, the places in which we live are generally dispersed, inefficient, and impossible to navigate without a car. Dead-ending cul-de-sacs and the divided highways that connect them are such deeply engrained parts of the American landscape that it’s easy to forget they were, themselves, the fruits of a massive federal investment program.
Sprawl is made possible by highways. This is expensive — in 2015, the Victoria Transport Policy Ins ute estimated that sprawl costs America more than $1 trillion a year in reduced business activity, environmental damage, consumer expenses, and other costs. Leaving aside the emissions from the 1.1 billion trips Americans take per day (87 percent of which are taken in personal vehicles), spreading everything out has eaten up an enormous amount of natural land.
Environmentalists know transportation is the elephant in the room. At first blush, the easiest way to attack that problem is to electrify everything, and that’s largely what the Green New Deal calls for, with goals like “100 percent zero emission passenger vehicles by 2030” and “100 percent fossil-free transportation by 2050.” The cars we drive feel more easily changeable than the places we live.
But electric vehicles are nowhere near ready for widespread adoption — and even if they were, “half of the world’s consumption of oil would remain untouched,” Bloomberg reports. A Tesla in every driveway just won’t cut it.
In Alissa Walker’s exhaustive report in Curbed on why electric vehicles won’t save California, she argues that even with breakneck advances in renewable energy and electric cars, the country must still reduce the number of vehicle miles traveled. EVs won’t save the rest of America, either.
But the good news is that if we do account for land use, we will get much closer to a safe, sustainable, and resilient future. And even though widespread adoption of EVs is still decades away, reforms to our built environment can begin right now. In short, we can fix this. We build more than 1 million new homes a year — we just need to put them in the right places.
Unsprawling America isn’t as hard as it sounds, because America is suffering from a critical, once-in-a-lifetime housing shortage. The National Low Income Housing Coalition reported last year that the U.S. has a national deficit of more than 7.2 million affordable and available rental homes for families most in need. Of course, if we build those homes in transit-accessible places, we can save their occupants time and money. But the scale of housing demand at this moment is such that we could build them in car-centric suburbs, too, and provide a human density that would not just support transit but also reduce the need to travel as shops, jobs, and schools crop up within walking distance.
Good info. Thanks. Also, online shopping contributes to more "sprawl" in the sense that the small businesses that once occupied "main street" (in my greater neighborhood, there's a multiple shopping centers and "main streets" lined with businesses within walking/biking distance of any number of residential neighborhoods). Example. Had a hobby shop and RadioShack less than a mile from my house on the same street. I occasionally like to repair electronics and nerd it up with the old man hobby of building rubber powered gliders. Let's say I want to buy some balsa wood, glue, solder, and some resistors. I could drive less than a mile to get all that when those shops were there, but now, am forced to buy this online. And items this disparate typically come from different fulfillment centers. So what once was a less than a mile round trip is now a 30, 40, 50 mile or more trip for the delivery trucks.
Those are pretty sweeping general statements about millions of people.
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The rich Republicans at the top are extremely smart, they’ve managed to craft a political policy that has most of America’s dirt poor white trash population convinced that cutting taxes on the rich will makes their lives better.
The best quote I ever read/heard on this phenomenon is, "Poor (right leaning) Americans think of themselves as temporarily humiliated millionaires." They project themselves onto the rich and thus have the mentality that when they finally "make it" ain't no gubmint gonna take my hard earned money away.The rich Republicans at the top are extremely smart
Also, defenders of the tax break philosophy, like rmt, are guilty of false equivalency, as we've talked about before. Like when they say, "Well, you support taxing someone who makes 10 million dollars per year 70%. Fair enough, but are you willing to give up 70% of your paycheck as well? If not, you're a hypocrite." This argument is so bad since 10 million dollars per year and your average middle class level yearly salary aren't remotely similar.
Truly a blue collar man of the people.
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you're so stupid and that's the truth.
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