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    When looking at movie trends you have to also look at the proliferation of alternate forms of entertainment. In 1986, video entertainment was limited to television or movie theaters.

    Now we can watch video on our computers, our phones, our tablets... and we have a ton of new options on the TV screen with streaming services and improvements in original cable series and films. So theaters have a lot more compe ion, and it stands to reason that the types of movies that work best on a giant screen (action/superheroes) would have an incredible advantage.
    My issue isn't the fact big budget action movies dominate the box office, it's the fact they're all based on a property. And yes, I totally understand the logic. Making a big budget movie from a property with an established fan base is a safer bet than throwing an 8 figure budget at an original spec script. It's just unfortunate that if the Wachowskis pitched The Matrix or Zemeckis Back to the Future in today's development climate, it's not getting made, at least not with a budget that would do the content justice. We occasionally get a big budget original idea put on the screen (Gravity, Jupiter Ascending, the latter of which is probably responsible for development executives being tightfisted more than ever with regard to new IPs, since it was a massive bomb).

    This speaks to an overall audience complacency/close-mindedness to patronize new ideas in the genre.

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    This speaks to an overall audience complacency/close-mindedness to patronize new ideas in the genre.
    If there's a lack of new big budget ideas in theaters, I don't know that it's about the audience as much as film producers. Like I said before, audiences have a lot of other places to find entertainment, and we're in a golden age of big budget TV entertainment right now. There's countless big (and small) budget, popular, and completely original series available on demand. So there's certainly still an appe e for great new ideas, but there's a wealth of availability and a lot more convenience at home. They have a dozen things on Netflix and HBO that they're already subscribing to that could "wow" them this weekend, so a film has more work to do to gain their interest if it's going to make them leave the house and drop $30 to see it.

    And great original films are still being made. Sundance, TIFF and other film festivals have never been bigger nor more lucrative for filmmakers.

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    If there's a lack of new big budget ideas in theaters, I don't know that it's about the audience as much as film producers. Like I said before, audiences have a lot of other places to find entertainment, and we're in a golden age of big budget TV entertainment right now. There's countless big (and small) budget, popular, and completely original series available on demand. So there's certainly still an appe e for great new ideas, but there's a wealth of availability and a lot more convenience at home. They have a dozen things on Netflix and HBO that they're already subscribing to that could "wow" them this weekend, so a film has more work to do to gain their interest if it's going to make them leave the house and drop $30 to see it.

    And great original films are still being made. Sundance, TIFF and other film festivals have never been bigger nor more lucrative for filmmakers.
    Film producers will look at recent box-office and ratings successes (now informed by analytics) and decide what is worthy of development based on those findings. Obviously, audiences drive box-office and ratings successes, so yes, the audience does decide what gets made generally speaking. I'm not seeing this wealth of great new ideas being facilitated by the big streaming players. Netflix has about half-a-dozen Marvel series alone, along with popular sitcoms like Full House and One Day at a Time that are either continuations or remakes of past properties. Stranger Things was really the only big hit on there based off an original idea. On HBO, Westworld (property), Game of Thrones (property), and coming soon Watchmen (property). AMC's bread-and-butter is the Walking Dead (property). Some of Amazon Prime's big shows are Jack Ryan (property), Bosch (property). Mrs. Maisel and Sneaky Pete have been hits based off original ideas, but I don't see the occasional Stranger Things, Maisel, etc bucking the trend as an example of the industry not being heavily property driven.

    Trust me, I'm intimate with the business, and you wouldn't believe some of the logic. A script based off an irrelevant newspaper article has a better chance of being made than one that isn't, even if the stories are identical. The only people that have a real chance of getting something original made are those who have heavy influence or name recognition (Tina Fey [Kimmy Schmidt], Bryan Cranston/David Shore [Sneaky Pete]), so this way you can advertise it as "From the creators of House, comes an exciting new..."

    Indie isn't flourishing as well as perceived. The spirit of Sundance, TIFF, SXSW in the old days was to give exposure to complete unknowns (from directors to actors) working on shoestring budgets. Think past indie hits and award winners like Clerks, El Mariachi, Welcome to the Dollhouse, Sex, Lies, and Videotape. Now the big Sundance winners and hits feature A-listers or strong B-listers (Elijah Wood, Chloe Grace Moretz, Michael B. Jordan, Saoirse Ronan, Miles Teller) in the lead roles and have relatively large budgets. Indie is basically Hollywood-lite now.

    And to be clear, my main primary gripe is the property based action movies and even shows sucking up development money that would be better (in an ideal world, obviously) put toward original ideas. Again, you try to pitch Robocop or Predator today, you'll get shown the door, as the execs explain that action movies without a property tie-in just don't hit. To boil it down, I'd like to see what a 200 million dollar martial arts film would look like that uses nothing but practical effects. Something like the Lethal Weapon 4 freeway chase scene is light years more impressive than any CGI loaded set-piece the MCU or DCU has come up with.
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    I've seen their cancer treatment in Cuba and it is very efficient. They put a bunch of people in a boat and they die before they get to the United States
    You havent seen , Nancy

    Stop subscribing and parroting fake news, Nancy


    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-39640165


    Cimavax fights cancer by stimulating an immune response against a protein in the blood that triggers the growth of lung cancer. After an induction period, patients receive a monthly dose by injection.
    It's a product of Cuba's biotechnology industry, nurtured by former President Fidel Castro since the early 1980s.
    Ironically, Cuba's biotech innovations can partly be explained by the US embargo - something Castro continually railed against. It meant Cuba had to produce the drugs it could not access or afford. And medications like Cimavax - low-tech products that could be administered in a rural setting - were developed to fit the Cuban context.

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    Film producers will look at recent box-office and ratings successes (now informed by analytics) and decide what is worthy of development based on those findings. Obviously, audiences drive box-office and ratings successes, so yes, the audience does decide what gets made generally speaking. I'm not seeing this wealth of great new ideas being facilitated by the big streaming players. Netflix has about half-a-dozen Marvel series alone, along with popular sitcoms like Full House and One Day at a Time that are either continuations or remakes of past properties. Stranger Things was really the only big hit on there based off an original idea. On HBO, Westworld (property), Game of Thrones (property), and coming soon Watchmen (property). AMC's bread-and-butter is the Walking Dead (property). Some of Amazon Prime's big shows are Jack Ryan (property), Bosch (property). Mrs. Maisel and Sneaky Pete have been hits based off original ideas, but I don't see the occasional Stranger Things, Maisel, etc bucking the trend as an example of the industry not being heavily property driven.

    Trust me, I'm intimate with the business, and you wouldn't believe some of the logic. A script based off an irrelevant newspaper article has a better chance of being made than one that isn't, even if the stories are identical. The only people that have a real chance of getting something original made are those who have heavy influence or name recognition (Tina Fey [Kimmy Schmidt], Bryan Cranston/David Shore [Sneaky Pete]), so this way you can advertise it as "From the creators of House, comes an exciting new..."

    Indie isn't flourishing as well as perceived. The spirit of Sundance, TIFF, SXSW in the old days was to give exposure to complete unknowns (from directors to actors) working on shoestring budgets. Think past indie hits and award winners like Clerks, El Mariachi, Welcome to the Dollhouse, Sex, Lies, and Videotape. Now the big Sundance winners and hits feature A-listers or strong B-listers (Elijah Wood, Chloe Grace Moretz, Michael B. Jordan, Saoirse Ronan, Miles Teller) in the lead roles and have relatively large budgets. Indie is basically Hollywood-lite now.

    And to be clear, my main primary gripe is the property based action movies and even shows sucking up development money that would be better (in an ideal world, obviously) put toward original ideas. Again, you try to pitch Robocop or Predator today, you'll get shown the door, as the execs explain that action movies without a property tie-in just don't hit. To boil it down, I'd like to see what a 200 million dollar martial arts film would look like that uses nothing but practical effects. Something like the Lethal Weapon 4 freeway chase scene is light years more impressive than any CGI loaded set-piece the MCU or DCU has come up with.
    House of Cards, Narcos, Ozark, Making a Murderer, The Crown... there's a bunch of good stuff

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    You havent seen , Nancy

    Stop subscribing and parroting fake news, Nancy


    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-39640165


    Cimavax fights cancer by stimulating an immune response against a protein in the blood that triggers the growth of lung cancer. After an induction period, patients receive a monthly dose by injection.
    It's a product of Cuba's biotechnology industry, nurtured by former President Fidel Castro since the early 1980s.
    Ironically, Cuba's biotech innovations can partly be explained by the US embargo - something Castro continually railed against. It meant Cuba had to produce the drugs it could not access or afford. And medications like Cimavax - low-tech products that could be administered in a rural setting - were developed to fit the Cuban context.
    Mr 3rd world oracle of uh oh is going to try to lecture me on 3rd world advancements in medicine.

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    ^^^ankle biter doing what ankle biters do

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    Great, now do insurance, hospitals and doctors.

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    No, just saying drug prices are but one part of a complex puzzle.

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    Trump won't solve rising healthcare costs with regulatory tweaks to the price of drugs. That's incrementalist bureaucrat talk.

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    Trump won't solve rising healthcare costs with regulatory tweaks to the price of drugs. That's incrementalist bureaucrat talk.
    He won't do for the price of drugs.

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    He won't do for the price of drugs.
    OH BUT THE DRUG COMPANIES ARE PRETENDING TO COOPERATE.

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    You're also one major illness away from death! The end is NEAR!!! is about to get REAL!!!!

    I'm in Australia, the hospitals here are like homeless shelters and homeless people are actually sleeping on the street in front of one.

    "socialized medicine!"
    I saw more homeless people in Santa Monica than I've seen in 35 years in Australia.

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    I saw more homeless people in Santa Monica than I've seen in 35 years in Australia.
    Yes Santa Monica is a hole.

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    “Our seniors” aren’t footing the bill for anymore. Their contributions to Medicare were made with ed up actuarial projections and their healthcare costs are way more than what the put into it. The Gen Xers and Millennials are the ones who are currently paying into a Medicare program that’ll be bankrupt before they ever get any benefit from it.
    Current beneficiaries are getting more out of the system than they ever paid into it.

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    if you cry during surgery you can be billed for that

    According to a Mentegram article led, "CPT Code 96127: How to Increase Revenue with This NEW Behavioral or Emotional Assessment" CPT Code 96127 "is a code that may be used to report brief behavioral or emotional assessments for reimbursement" and "may be billed four times for each patient per visit, utilizing four different instruments or assessments. So not only will clinicians have more efficient practices by utilizing these screenings, but they can also use them to build revenue." The article concludes with "Can you see how this missed income can really add up?"
    https://boingboing.net/2021/09/30/wo...g-surgery.html

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    the US protects profits rather than public health


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    We're pretty much the only rich country that pays extortionate costs for worse outcomes while bankrupting patients.


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    Our medical system makes us poorer and sicker.


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