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    hole country thqh

    “Unless you are Bill Gates, you are 1 major illness away from bancrupcy”





    Cue in the morons “but US medical system is best in the world”

    What good is a Ferrari if you cannot afford ing gas???
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    2 out of 3 isn't 75%. Add OP to the list of Trumpers who are bad at math.

    That aside, nothing really surprising here. US Healthcare is ty unless you're either rich or work for an employer large enough to get its employees the cadillac insurance plan.

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    Many different studies, many different results

    but health care fleecing, "de-wealthing", impoverishing of Americans is one horrible problem that social democracy would attack, but would fail to succeed because BigHealth owns politicians of both parties.


    Medical Bankruptcy and the Economy


    https://www.thebalance.com/medical-b...istics-4154729

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    2 out of 3 isn't 75%. Add OP to the list of Trumpers who are bad at math.

    That aside, nothing really surprising here. US Healthcare is ty unless you're either rich or work for an employer large enough to get its employees the cadillac insurance plan.
    Haha my bad nig

    I meant over 66%

    My point stands tbqh

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    Haha my bad nig

    I meant over 66%

    My point stands tbqh
    Yeah I was just being a , I definitely agree with your overall point.

    The only thing I will say is that healthcare costs aside, Americans have more health issues than the rest of the industrialized world because we have a diet loaded with added sugar and processed , work too much, don’t sleep enough and rely on uppers and downers to get ourselves through the day.

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    That also plays a role

    But lets be jonest anyone can get a cancer or some illness like that. And all bets are off time for bankrupcy.

    Its sad

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    BigPharma...nothing new here.

    At least we have some people in this current administration willing to go to battle:



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    Lol if bu battle you mean battle for more corporate lobby cash

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    “Our seniors” aren’t footing the bill for anymore. Their contributions to Medicare were made with ed up actuarial projections and their healthcare costs are way more than what the put into it. The Gen Xers and Millennials are the ones who are currently paying into a Medicare program that’ll be bankrupt before they ever get any benefit from it.

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    Yeah I was just being a , I definitely agree with your overall point.

    The only thing I will say is that healthcare costs aside, Americans have more health issues than the rest of the industrialized world because we have a diet loaded with added sugar and processed , work too much, don’t sleep enough and rely on uppers and downers to get ourselves through the day.
    In addition, Generation Z is a mental-health ticking time bomb due to technology and the way their lives revolve the distorted representation of reality that is social media.


    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...utm_source=twb

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    In addition, Generation Z is a mental-health ticking time bomb due to technology and the way their lives revolve the distorted representation of reality that is social media.

    https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/04/impac...mental-health/
    Very true. I already see it in younger millennials who are 5-10 yrs younger than me. Their brains are practically wired differently because they’ve had cell phones since before they hit puberty.

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    Not surprising at all

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    Very true. I already see it in younger millennials who are 5-10 yrs younger than me. Their brains are practically wired differently because they’ve had cell phones since before they hit puberty.
    They are wired differently. It fundementally changes the way in which they communicate and view other people and relationships. I don't think we fully understand yet all the negative effects the internet, social media, electronics, etc will have on our youth as the people that grew up with this are still young adults.

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    Trump won't pull the trigger on what's really necessary to control drug prices: Regulation and price caps.

    Approving manufacturing of more generics doesn't do because Big Pharma works with health care providers and insurance companies to get their drugs as the ones doctors prescribe. Health care providers and insurance companies have no problem with this because the margins are great for the former and the latter can use the 6000.00 per bottle blood pressure medication grandpa takes every month as an excuse to raise premiums. Drug companies also know they have an open tap via Medicare and Medicaid, so they arbitrarily set high prices knowing it'll be subsidized by the tax payer.

    "From 2017-18...saved customers a staggering 26 billion!"

    "Staggering"

    There's 300 million insured Americans, so this "more generics" strategy has saved the individual American about 8.00 per month. Staggering, indeed.
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    Oh, here's what the CEO of a pharma company that manufacturers generics had to say when his company raised the price of a 400.00 generic to 2300.00:

    (CNN)A pharmaceutical company executive defended his company's recent 400% drug price increase, telling the Financial Times that his company had a "moral requirement to sell the product at the highest price." The head of the US Food and Drug Administration blasted the executive in a response on Twitter.

    Nirmal Mulye, founder and president of Nostrum Pharmaceuticals, commented in a story Tuesday about the decision to raise the price of an antibiotic mixture called nitrofurantoin from about $500 per bottle to more than $2,300. The drug is listed by the World Health Organization as an "essential" medicine for lower urinary tract infections.

    "I think it is a moral requirement to make money when you can," Mulye told the Financial Times, "to sell the product for the highest price."


    The Financial Times said Mulye compared his decision to increase the price to that of an art dealer who sells "a painting for half a billion dollars" and said he was in "this business to make money."

    "I agree with Martin Shkreli that when he raised the price of his drug he was within his rights because he had to reward his shareholders," Mulye was quoted as saying.
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/11/healt...-bn/index.html

    I've said it before. The profit motive is fundamentally incompatible with the "Do No Harm" concept expressed in the Hippocratic Oath. This CEO's mentality is a clear illustration of that, but Republicans want to give his type big tax breaks and let good old honest private insurance companies that work with BigPharma dictate the market. To want otherwise is "evil socialism."

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    They are wired differently. It fundementally changes the way in which they communicate and view other people and relationships. I don't think we fully understand yet all the negative effects the internet, social media, electronics, etc will have on our youth as the people that grew up with this are still young adults.
    I'm pessimistic about it, unfortunately. Studies have shown a sharp increase in teenage depression and anxiety since the introduction of the smart phone and social media. Yeah, the older generations were concerned about what them new fangled television sets and video games would do to our brains, but the primary difference is that they weren't portable in the same way smart phones are, so at least when you went out with your friends or family, you were able to leave those distractions at home. Also, television and video games of that era didn't offer the near unlimited amount of entertainment choices as offered by today's Internet. I think having infinite choice in this regard is more a negative than positive since it creates even shorter attention spans leading to more frivolous and lazy content that is compatible with those attention spans (i.e. Vines, GIFs, Memes, etc).

    On the psychological side, it's leading to more atomization and disintegration of social cohesion. The Internet has this great ability to dehumanize people, since people are just represented by text and profile pics, while the relative anonymity offered protects you from the physical/emotional consequences of being a jerk. For kids whose life is more Internet than reality, will they begin to dehumanize others in real life the same way? There's some indications that they might be, with the way the 21 year old and under demographic is overrepresented in the mass shooting epidemic. Either that, or they lack zero real world social skills all together.

    I think online retail has also played a huge role in the disintegration of social cohesion I mentioned, since you never have to leave your house to get anything you want. Back in the "good old days" the local businesses (i.e. record store, sporting good store, hobby shop, electronic store, video store etc) were important and integral to the local community, with those businesses and their owners being kind of like "old friends." You usually got to know the owners on personal terms, which translated into a more meaningful consumer experience. Amazon et al basically sees you as nothing but an account. When commerce was linked to your neighborhood in this way, you felt part of a "community." Now commerce is basically linked to your house.

    To keep this from being tl;dr, this all basically translates into people becoming a lot more disconnected and self-absorbed, which could result in a lack of general empathy for anyone but your immediates.

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    “Unless you are Bill Gates, you are 1 major illness away from bancrupcy”





    Cue in the morons “but US medical system is best in the world”

    What good is a Ferrari if you cannot afford ing gas???
    You're also one major illness away from death! The end is NEAR!!! is about to get REAL!!!!

    I'm in Australia, the hospitals here are like homeless shelters and homeless people are actually sleeping on the street in front of one.

    "socialized medicine!"

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    BigPharma...nothing new here.

    At least we have some people in this current administration willing to go to battle:


    Too bad they've been in office two years and having battled yet tbh

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    2 out of 3 isn't 75%. Add OP to the list of Trumpers who are bad at math.

    That aside, nothing really surprising here. US Healthcare is ty unless you're either rich or work for an employer large enough to get its employees the cadillac insurance plan.
    Yeah but most that get the “Cadillac” are still low level employees of those companies and therefore still ed. Insurance in the United States is the worst thing about this country. Well, that and the mass shootings, constant in fighting, do nothing politics, racism, income gap, media, Boutons, MTV, taxes, vacation time, sexism, etc, etc.

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    "I think it is a moral requirement to make money when you can," Mulye told the Financial Times, "to sell the product for the highest price."

    moral?

    this greedy Capitalistic asshole hides his predatory, exorbitant pricing as "moral"
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    Yeah but most that get the “Cadillac” are still low level employees of those companies and therefore still ed. Insurance in the United States is the worst thing about this country. Well, that and the mass shootings, constant in fighting, do nothing politics, racism, income gap, media, Boutons, MTV, taxes, vacation time, sexism, etc, etc.
    Agreed, I should have been specific in referring to large employers wherw the median employee makes a decent wage.

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    I'm pessimistic about it, unfortunately. Studies have shown a sharp increase in teenage depression and anxiety since the introduction of the smart phone and social media. Yeah, the older generations were concerned about what them new fangled television sets and video games would do to our brains, but the primary difference is that they weren't portable in the same way smart phones are, so at least when you went out with your friends or family, you were able to leave those distractions at home. Also, television and video games of that era didn't offer the near unlimited amount of entertainment choices as offered by today's Internet. I think having infinite choice in this regard is more a negative than positive since it creates even shorter attention spans leading to more frivolous and lazy content that is compatible with those attention spans (i.e. Vines, GIFs, Memes, etc).

    On the psychological side, it's leading to more atomization and disintegration of social cohesion. The Internet has this great ability to dehumanize people, since people are just represented by text and profile pics, while the relative anonymity offered protects you from the physical/emotional consequences of being a jerk. For kids whose life is more Internet than reality, will they begin to dehumanize others in real life the same way? There's some indications that they might be, with the way the 21 year old and under demographic is overrepresented in the mass shooting epidemic. Either that, or they lack zero real world social skills all together.

    I think online retail has also played a huge role in the disintegration of social cohesion I mentioned, since you never have to leave your house to get anything you want. Back in the "good old days" the local businesses (i.e. record store, sporting good store, hobby shop, electronic store, video store etc) were important and integral to the local community, with those businesses and their owners being kind of like "old friends." You usually got to know the owners on personal terms, which translated into a more meaningful consumer experience. Amazon et al basically sees you as nothing but an account. When commerce was linked to your neighborhood in this way, you felt part of a "community." Now commerce is basically linked to your house.

    To keep this from being tl;dr, this all basically translates into people becoming a lot more disconnected and self-absorbed, which could result in a lack of general empathy for anyone but your immediates.
    All good points. And just to piggyback on the bolded section (as it is something that bothers me as a parent), parents of yesteryear were concerned about time spent on TV/video games. And I try to limit time on electronic devices as much as I can, don't allow them at them at the dinner table, make sure homework is done first, etc. But I would be thrilled if the entertainment they chose even had an inkling of creative thought behind it. Instead of watching a television show with some type of creative narrative, they'd prefer to watch some dumbass gamer channel on youtube. Instead of playing a single player game with at least a storyline or some problem-solving aspect to it (or even something cooperative with their siblings), they'd rather play Fortnite. I think this illustrates perfectly how the attention span of kids today is just ed.

    And my wife and I are real quick to take all this away when they aren't doing what they need to do (chores, schoolwork, etc). But I know most kids have free reign on everything because both parents work and frankly it's easier to just give the kid what they want.

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    You're also one major illness away from death! The end is NEAR!!! is about to get REAL!!!!

    I'm in Australia, the hospitals here are like homeless shelters and homeless people are actually sleeping on the street in front of one.

    "socialized medicine!"
    I been to australia niga and didnt see none of that. You must be in a real dump tbqh

    Cuba tbqh has one of the most efficient cancer treatments in the world. And doesnt cost a dime to individuals tbqh (cubans that is as foreigns im sure have to pay and tightly so)

    If I get sick im going to the island

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    Yeah I was just being a , I definitely agree with your overall point.

    The only thing I will say is that healthcare costs aside, Americans have more health issues than the rest of the industrialized world because we have a diet loaded with added sugar and processed , work too much, don’t sleep enough and rely on uppers and downers to get ourselves through the day.
    My main gripe with certain us products have been this! When i went to germany and italy I noticed that their sodas had like half the sugar compared to your standard 12oz coke. And their diet/light versions of it had no suagr at all. Not even that fake foul tasting, cancer inducing stevia kind.

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