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    I don't see how that's possible. To buy a widget from a brick-and-mortar, the transportation chain involved might look like: shipped to distribution hub, shipped to store, I drive (less distance than the typical Amazon warehouse is to me and in a more fuel efficient vehicle) to buy. Online retail model: Shipped to distribution hub, shipped to fulfillment center, delivered to me. Then you add in the additional packaging online retail requires.



    https://www.varsity.co.uk/science/9086
    You (and everyone else who needs something) drives to a physical store (which may or may not stock that particular item) clogging the roads, malls (expensive real estate instead of giant warehouses) plus their employees (instead of assembly line machines) vs tall, white Amazon delivery trucks/UPS dropping off packages in one area. Seems (to me) much more efficient (and greener) the Amazon route - especially the comparison/stocking part.

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    You (and everyone else who needs something) drives to a physical store (which may or may not stock that particular item) clogging the roads, malls (expensive real estate instead of giant warehouses) plus their employees (instead of assembly line machines) vs tall, white Amazon delivery trucks/UPS dropping off packages in one area. Seems (to me) much more efficient (and greener) the Amazon route - especially the comparison/stocking part.
    Another study contends that shopping online has a greater impact on the environment, when considering the following factors:

    Many people do not drive alone, but go shopping with others, hence total purchases average more than four items per trip, thereby reducing miles driven per item.

    Shoppers often engage in other activities while at the mall, so miles traveled can’t be assigned only to shopping.

    A lot more goods purchased online get returned, which requires repackaging and shipping (33 percent compared with just 7 percent from stores).

    Online products often require a whole lot more packaging. You can also simply bike or walk to the store, or drive a very efficient car, any of which beats online shopping in terms of environmental impact.
    https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/as...tore-or-online

    Also, if your theory was correct, we'd see a large decline in transportation related emissions. No such declined occurred.

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    As I was saying, but conservatives are telling it like she walked into Jeff Bezos office all alone and told him to off. "The local community organized to reject it." Good on them

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    As I was saying, but conservatives are telling it like she walked into Jeff Bezos office all alone and told him to off. "The local community organized to reject it." Good on them
    the idea that AOC alone was able to influence Bezos is just the latest example of Republicans making her more relevant than she’d ever be without their incessant crying about how evil she is.

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    the idea that AOC alone was able to influence Bezos is just the latest example of Republicans making her more relevant than she’d ever be without their incessant crying about how evil she is.
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    The rightwinghate-LIE-media always identifies an enemy to ridicule, slander, hate, sometimes shoot at, because it knows its listeners, viewers live way below the cortex, fact-denying, fact-free, pure primitive, negative emotions of hate, anger, paranoia.






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    I like how all of rmt’s views are determined by anecdotal evidence involving things like stories she hears at the Jamaican immigrant joy luck club.

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    On Thursday, Amazon spokesperson Jodi Seth noted the opposition of Ocasio-Cortez and another opponent, New York City Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer, to the company's plan to come to New York.

    While speaking with NBC News, Seth said that the deal was canceled because of the "environment" and criticism from elected officials.

    "If you talk to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, it's, 'Never Amazon,'" Seth said. "If you talk to Van Bramer, it's unions."


    https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-...-msnbc-1333118

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    Just because RWNJs hate and fear AOC (as dictated by RWHM), blame her primarily, even her ALONE, for blocking Bezos, doesn't mean there is the slightest truth to the blame-placing, since Serious People know RWHM is ALWAYS lying to inflame its hate-driven followers.

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    On Thursday, Amazon spokesperson Jodi Seth noted the opposition of Ocasio-Cortez and another opponent, New York City Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer, to the company's plan to come to New York.

    While speaking with NBC News, Seth said that the deal was canceled because of the "environment" and criticism from elected officials.

    "If you talk to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, it's, 'Never Amazon,'" Seth said. "If you talk to Van Bramer, it's unions."


    https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-...-msnbc-1333118
    a company sitting on $40 billion afraid to negotiate

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    On Thursday, Amazon spokesperson Jodi Seth noted the opposition of Ocasio-Cortez and another opponent, New York City Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer, to the company's plan to come to New York.

    While speaking with NBC News, Seth said that the deal was canceled because of the "environment" and criticism from elected officials.

    "If you talk to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, it's, 'Never Amazon,'" Seth said. "If you talk to Van Bramer, it's unions."


    https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-...-msnbc-1333118
    "The local community organized to reject it."

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    a company sitting on $40 billion afraid to negotiate
    Bezos doesn't negotiate, he bullies, he extorts.

    Same asbillionaire NFL owners wanting taxpayers to buy them new stadiums

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    "The local community organized to reject it."
    I think I'd rather believe an Amazon spokesperson about why Amazon pulled out than OCA's tweet.

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    Bezos doesn't negotiate, he bullies, he extorts.

    Same asbillionaire NFL owners wanting taxpayers to buy them new stadiums
    Bezo and his slave owner mentality, am I right?

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    I don't think I'd believe a company with $40 billion in cash and no contingency plan was really serious about following through on two new headquarters.

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    a company sitting on $40 billion afraid to negotiate
    Is my understanding of the timeline of the deal incorrect? Did 200+ cities not put forth their offers and did Amazon not choose NYC's offer? How much more negotiation is there at that point? Certainly not the $3 billion. If the NY side can't get their offered deal through whatever local authorities, is that Amazon's fault? Shouldn't the NY side have their ducks (state/county/city) lined up before making an offer?
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    https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/as...tore-or-online

    Also, if your theory was correct, we'd see a large decline in transportation related emissions. No such declined occurred.
    link?

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    I think I'd rather believe an Amazon spokesperson about why Amazon pulled out than OCA's tweet.
    Amazon’s Statement On Dropping NYC HQ Plans

    a number of state and local politicians have made it clear that they oppose our presence

    https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/02...-nyc-hq-plans/

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    Is my understanding of the timeline of the deal incorrect? Did 200+ cities not put forth their offers and did Amazon not choose NYC's offer? How much more negotiation is there at that point? Certainly not the $3 billion. If the NY side can't get their offered deal through whatever local authorities, is that Amazon's fault? Shouldn't the NY side have their ducks (state/county/city) lined up before making an offer?
    So Amazon publicly agreed to a deal when they knew it wasn't guaranteed? That's pretty dumb.

    Again, a lot of evidence points to their not actually wanting two new HQs at any point.

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    Damn AOC has a lot of power according to republicans. How was she able to become so powerful so quickly?

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    Damn AOC has a lot of power according to republicans. How was she able to become so powerful so quickly?
    Same way Trump did. Idiots with twitter.

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    Amazon’s Statement On Dropping NYC HQ Plans

    a number of state and local politicians have made it clear that they oppose our presence

    https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/02...-nyc-hq-plans/
    Yes, bou, and? WE are in agreement - state and local politicians and Amazon spokesperson NAMED OAC. I was responding to MP's post of OCA's tweet, "The local community organized to reject it."

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    So Amazon publicly agreed to a deal when they knew it wasn't guaranteed? That's pretty dumb.

    Again, a lot of evidence points to their not actually wanting two new HQs at any point.
    I'd think that if the governor of the state and the mayor of the city offered me a deal, I shouldn't have to go check with the local officials. Isn't that the responsibility of the governor/mayor who made the offer?

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    I'd think that if the governor of the state and the mayor of the city offered me a deal, I shouldn't have to go check with the local officials. Isn't that the responsibility of the governor/mayor who made the offer?
    If I were looking for bids for one of the largest companies in the world, I wouldn't take anyone at his/her word. That's the responsibility of the party looking for the welfare.

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    Same way Trump did. Idiots with twitter.
    It could backfire on them like it did for trump and an AOC presidency could be very much likely when she's eligible.

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