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Bro... They may not hate DDR, but they're happy as he is off the roster
DeMarcation hurts people.
Bro... They may not hate DDR, but they're happy as he is off the roster
I wish the @TOR game had happened early on when the Spurs were sucking anyway. All of DDR's rest is going to be undone by that game. The home game vs TOR game mind ed him bad enough.
Bull . DDR was loved in Toronto and most know that. It is Canada after all.How people were trying to suddenly spin DeRozan into a useful player before this season was hilarious. Most hated Raptor ever, now most hated Spur ever.
This is from an article that BleacherReport did last year, on the five worst contracts at every position. It doesn't matter who wrote it - it's a great analysis of exactly what the problems are with DDR, especially now that he's in SA. It's exactly what I've been saying about getting him out of his comfort zone. He does one thing: he scores. Try to force him to do more, and all you get is less scoring.
DeMar DeRozan
Remaining Contract Value: Four years, $111 million
DeMar DeRozan's inclusion is bound to ruffle some feathers. He is a three-time All-Star and followed up his 2016 payday with an All-NBA bid. He even accepted less than the max to stay with the Toronto Raptors.
Should he really be penalized because his mid-range-heavy style is so divisive?
Um, yes.
Funneling superstar money into a swingman who doesn't shoot threes or move the defensive needle would usually be painted as reckless. DeRozan is different, because he's damn near perfected his niche. But that only means we're inventing nice ways of saying he verges on one-dimensional.
Yank him from his very specific comfort zone, and his value collapses in on itself. The Raptors cannot remodel their offense to include more fluid ball movement and fewer one-on-ones when he's putting down less than 35 percent of his catch-and-fire opportunities. It should scare the out of them that he cost the team more points on the defensive end than anyone else, according to NBA Math. And it's most definitely concerning that he cannot headline even without Kyle Lowry in the fold.
Opponents outscored the Raptors by 0.4 points per 100 possessions when DeRozan ran solo. Flip the script to Lowry playing the lone wolf, and they were a plus-10.8.
DeRozan is a quality player and fantastic scorer to say the least. This isn't an assault on what he's done, or what he's still capable of doing. Before coming to his defense, though, ask yourself this: How many teams would be willing to trade for him while sending back close to adequate value?
Wow that highlighted paragraph sums up the biggest problem facing the spurs in regards to Demars game. The FO would of known this
So did most Raptor fans hate him, or did they love him because he showed the city affection? Make up your mind.
He's my most hated Raptors (and Spur) of all time. What exactly needs to be made up again?
Raptors casual fans loved him(Raptors fans are very insecure so this was mostly due to DeRozan being the first relevant player that wanted to stay), but he was extremely polarizing with the diehard fanbase..at the end of last year's run, I'd say more wanted him gone than not(easily)..
Raptors fans if they really looked out for their teams interest would gladly take Nephew on a one year deal and start fresh the next year without him than having to rely on Derozan for 27 mil a year for 2 more seasons.
Probably 1 season with him opting out and looking for more money- something the Spurs will probably give him
WOW, I can't believe what I am reading.
Yes I am a long time Raptor fan, watched derozan from the start. He is the hardest working Raptor ever! He is always in the gym, always working on his game. For a while, it seemed like he had no life outside of basketball. He kept improving year after year. When fans criticized him, he would be back the next season with improvement to the aspect of the game that he was criticized for. I disliked him at first, but I saw him grow every single year to the point that I could not deny that he is one of a player.
Something is up guys!! Something is very wrong. He started out the year like gangbusters, his assist numbers were incredible and I was shaking my head thinking there he goes again, improving another aspect of his game, Spurs got themselves a player.
...but you guys are right, checking the scores his name has not been jumping out at me the way it did when he first joined you guys.
Demar is a class act. He is an incredible person and a basketball player, but I am starting to think that he is lacking someone on your club that will have his back. With Lowry he had that, total respect, if he was down his boy would be the first to help him up.
Now as far as his D, it was a work in progress... he is talented enough to play good D, but he needs a system, he needs guys around him that are doing likewise. We did not have issues with him when we surrounded him with guys that were playing the other side of the ball, he immediately knew which gaps to fill and turned it up just as much as the rest of the squad. His last year with us was his best defensive season by eye.
I don't know what to tell you guys, this is quite the surprise... I am really shocked that you guys are bashing him this hard. If the change is hard on him, and he lacks a true bro on the team, its not going to help at all if the fans are on him. He is a damn good guy, so sad to see him going through this.
His D and O is not where it should be, he also plays through injuries, maybe he has a nagger that is taking him out of his comfort zone, but is not bad enough to complain about...
I really hope this changes after the allstar break, hope whatever it is heals, and you guys see the Derozan that I KNOW.
the raptors perimeter depth on the roster is off the charts, they got so many pieces...whether they are franchise or allstar type players in t he future is unknown...
You said most Raptor fans, not you.
I always got the feeling he was loved there. I imagine some fans were pissed off at him, as he is mentally weak at times, but I highly doubt most wanted him gone that badly. That is just typical of any player as no one is universally loved. Either way, so long as Kawhi stays, I am sure they will be happy with the trade off. My point is just because he is sucking it up right now, doesn't mean we need to exaggerate things.
That's BS, He is one of the most LOVED Raptors of all time, the homecoming will prove it.
Yah there are guys that were nagging on DD's game, but we have a huge online community and lots of basement dwellers that don't see the light of day. There are guys there now that are ting all over Khawai and were asking for the team to be blown up! They could not see the sense of waiting one year and seeing what Khawai can potentially do for us in the playoffs, they were calling for moving the guy for assets! As if there are idiots as stupid as them out there that will give you even more young talent for a 3 month rental. We are talking stupid to an exponential degree. If you ever want to study insanity online, the realgm Raptor forum is a perfect destination, we have a whole breed of crazy on that forum... guys not happy with anything. You are talking about a fan base that was convinced that Andrea Bargnani was the next Dirk Nowitzki, there are some that still think it was coaching that ruined him. There are folks on the forum that have a hard time understanding that M Gasol is a huge upgrade to Jonas Valanciunas, who is a good player as long as you manage his minutes, but by no means is he on the level of M. Gasol. Low IQ, slow, and can't catch a no look pass to save his life. Put a double team on him, and he coughs up the ball and commits a foul. On that forum there will always be a minority that will hate no matter who you put in front of them Carter was , Bosh was but Garbajosa was the greatest ever!(the euro love is strong there too, they thought Rubio was a #1 pick and half the forum wanted to tank for him.) ...and the James Johnson love, one of the biggest off court distractions in the NBA, just a waste of talent on a low IQ dufus who all the teen posters admire because of his bravado.
No Demar is very loved in Toronto, he is Royalty down there. It didn't start that way, he earned all of it through hard work and dedication. He was one of the players that folks wanted to trade for a long long time, but he just kept improving and improving to the point that NO ONE EXPECTED HIM TO BE TRADED. If Masai did not got a former fianls MVP he would of been pitchforked out of Toronto for sure.
Now for Demar's defense, guys he is a shooting guard. Shooting guards in this league do not play defense. It's not a defensive position. You can't lock down a Curry, or a Harden, or a Beal... these guys will always get theirs. I don't think there is a shooting guard out there that is known as a stopper. If you focus too much on stoppage, you end up loosing 20 points in the differential. Compared to Curry and Harden, Demar can play defense better than both of them, but as I said, he needs to be in a system where the other 4 guys know their role as well. He will only try as hard as other 4 guys otherwise you are just wasting your time. Having your shooting guard running around like a mad man trying to stop every shot on the floor is folly. It's a waste of the position. It will never work, the D needs to come from the other positions because SG are notorious for creating their own shots, they are the BEST AT IT from anyone on the floor. If your D sucks, blaming your shooting guard is not the answer. This is not a HIGH IMPACT Defensive position. If you have him running around like a dog out there chasing a bone to stop people, you will not get your 25pts on the other end, The D has to come from the other positions, especially a good PG that will pressure the out of his opposite, like we have in Lowry. The SG is the least effective defensive position. Look at the top 10 shooting guards out there, defense is not what they are known for. So blaming Derozan for your teams Defensive woes is a little silly because who are you going to plug in there that wont cost you 25pts?
Don't get me wrong, I see that Demar is slumping, and I agree he can do much better. Something is definitely up, and I hope its a nagging injury that will go away with this all-star break.
That said, he is much better than what you guys are judging him by in this slump.
BTW, Demar would have had 20 this all-star game in the same minutes, Aldridge looked like crap out there. Hurts my heart not to see him make the All-Star team, there are guys out there that are no where near his talent level. He is a top 3 shooting guard in the league.
What?
is that you, DDR?
c'mon Demar, go to the gym son.
Raptor fans care about the allstar game as much as Demar. Lol
Didnt wait for Lamarcus to show, I gave up watching 7min into the first . The dunk and 3point contest were much more entertaining.
thing is Demar is a support roster level player himself. and a flawed one dimensional support player at that.
really, his best role is probably as an instant-offense 6th man off the bench. though even with those guys you'd want them to be able to hit the 3.
as a no-defense and flawed-offense player, he really isn't a guy you want playing starter's minutes for your team.
Playoff Demar doing what he does best
biggest got in spurs history. worse than RJ. all
he had to do was advance the ball
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