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    The controversy on fluoride is nothing new. Years ago I heard about it and did a little research but pretty much didn’t think too much about it. A lot of the anti fluoride sites were also on about chem trails etc.
    However after watching the doc last night and doing some fact checking, there doesn’t seem to be any definitive support for the premise that it has health benefits. And the theory that this is a convenient way for industry to get rid of a toxic waste byproduct that’s expensive to dispose of doesn’t sound outlandish.
    And the fact that the practice of adding fluoride has been banned in several developed countries. Not to mention the ethics of adding something to a populations water supply without them having much input.

    Anyone care to take the pro-fluoride side?

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    Anyone care to take the pro-fluoride side?
    I would but we all dieded.

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    The controversy on fluoride is nothing new. Years ago I heard about it and did a little research but pretty much didn’t think too much about it. A lot of the anti fluoride sites were also on about chem trails etc.
    However after watching the doc last night and doing some fact checking, there doesn’t seem to be any definitive support for the premise that it has health benefits. And the theory that this is a convenient way for industry to get rid of a toxic waste byproduct that’s expensive to dispose of doesn’t sound outlandish.

    And the fact that the practice of adding fluoride has been banned in several developed countries. Not to mention the ethics of adding something to a populations water supply without them having much input.

    Anyone care to take the pro-fluoride side?
    What ever happened to Parker 2112?

    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=160379

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    Vote here for non-fluoridated water. We use reverse osmosis for drinking and cooking. (Allergic) ds only uses an electric toothbrush - no toothpaste - never had a cavity. I haven't had a cavity since I was 18. Dh and other kids have had cavities (using fluoridated toothpaste).

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    I haven’t really looked at the science behind it but I don’t like putting a chemical in water without it ever being voted on.

    I never drink tap water either way. I have a cooler in my apartment and refill the 5 gallon jugs with reverse osmosis water.

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    the Euro take is that adding Flouride to drinking water has no proven health benefits; seems a reasonable take to me.

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    It was an important family raising decision for us. My dental health has always been excellent and now in middle age I have all my teeth and have had 4 cavities total in my life. I was raised in a community with flouridated water but my parents weren’t and they also had excellent dental health. My spouse however was born and lived his first 7 yrs in Panama, not flouridated and being fed tetracycline hand over fist. He has struggled to keep his teeth but it has been a lifetime of pain and suffering. But both his parents were country folk from Illinois where everyone was toofless by 50, so having his own teeth at 60 is a big deal to him. Its pretty easy to figure out what you are predisposed to genetically as far as teeth are concerned. So if you have a predisposition to bad teeth then the fluoride may be a worthwhile risk. We also had to weigh in whether it would be actually worth our effort to remember to give 3 toddlers a pill every day lol. So we did Sparkletts fluoridated. Kids are all grown and self sufficient now, with killer smiles, I haven’t seen any ill effects from the fluoride 😉

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    mrsmaalox again with the thoughtful take.

    I wish you posted more here, mrsm. The smell of orc breath and stale jocks gets dire at times.

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    mrsmaalox again with the thoughtful take.

    I wish you posted more here, mrsm. The smell of orc breath and stale jocks gets dire at times.
    And leave the place reeking of weed and patchouli? Careful what you wish for

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    And leave the place reeking of weed and patchouli? Careful what you wish for


    You probably lost a lot of them on that one.

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    No reason not to put in water.

    Been used in military facilities for a very long time.
    San Antonio had a horrible tooth decay problem.
    Per usual, you will find bad studies that have it causing cancer, bone problems, the works. It has saved families in SA a lot of money. Unfortunately, you can't stop everyone from loading up on sugar, especially the poorer families, who usually already have bad dental hygiene. Sugar is cheap and readily available so it's a problem. Especially for Hispanics who already have a genetic predisposition for diabetes.

    Refined sugar is a problem.

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    You probably lost a lot of them on that one.
    LOL there’s some real delicate ones around here lately.

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    I like how all of rmt’s views are determined by anecdotal evidence involving things like stories she hears at the Jamaican immigrant joy luck club.
    Vote here for non-fluoridated water. We use reverse osmosis for drinking and cooking. (Allergic) ds only uses an electric toothbrush - no toothpaste - never had a cavity. I haven't had a cavity since I was 18. Dh and other kids have had cavities (using fluoridated toothpaste).

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    No reason not to put in water.

    Been used in military facilities for a very long time.
    San Antonio had a horrible tooth decay problem.
    Per usual, you will find bad studies that have it causing cancer, bone problems, the works. It has saved families in SA a lot of money. Unfortunately, you can't stop everyone from loading up on sugar, especially the poorer families, who usually already have bad dental hygiene. Sugar is cheap and readily available so it's a problem. Especially for Hispanics who already have a genetic predisposition for diabetes.

    Refined sugar is a problem.
    "no reason not to put it in the water"

    I'm not sure that's the logic that needs to be applied in these cases. Especially without people's consent.

    The doc (admittedly one sided) pointed to cities where they had to suspend fluoridation because the fluoride had other toxic waste bi-products included. Even the American Cancer society isn't taking a hard stance defending fluoride. Seems the results are inconclusive at best. And that more studies should be done. But in the meantime, let's go ahead and keep fluoridating.

    Also, there are plenty of studies of countries having improving dental health without fluoride.

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    "no reason not to put it in the water"

    I'm not sure that's the logic that needs to be applied in these cases. Especially without people's consent.

    The doc (admittedly one sided) pointed to cities where they had to suspend fluoridation because the fluoride had other toxic waste bi-products included. Even the American Cancer society isn't taking a hard stance defending fluoride. Seems the results are inconclusive at best. And that more studies should be done. But in the meantime, let's go ahead and keep fluoridating.

    Also, there are plenty of studies of countries having improving dental health without fluoride.
    Bolded. Then that's not only fluoride is it.

    Look at what the CDC says. It's pretty clear. Again The military's facilities have been doing this for a long time Why? Are they trying to killl military families?


    Are you upset SA puts chlorine in the water without your consent? Chlorine and Florine are both halogens.
    Plenty of countries without fluoride? Good deal. Do they eat processed sugar by the bucket load?
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    Even the American Cancer society isn't taking a hard stance defending fluoride.
    Do they have a hard stance defending water?

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    Look at what the CDC says. It's pretty clear.

    Are you upset SA puts chlorine in the water without your consent? Chlorine and Florine are halogens.
    Plenty of countries without fluoride? Good deal. Do they eat processed sugar by the bucket load?
    I don't live in SA. We're actually on well water and not getting fluoridated water.

    Part of the reason I posted the OP was to see if anyone here on the pro side had spent much time researching it. There are an abundance of studies that seem to say that drinking fluoride doesn't provide any real benefits.

    But by your logic, because a lot of people eat too much sugar, we need to fluoridate everyone's water. Even though we're not super sure it's safe.

    Many developed countries have banned the practice of fluoridating water because of health concerns. I don't know that I trust the U.S. goverment bodies or local municipalities to make this decision.

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    Do they have a hard stance defending water?
    you'll have to spell out what you mean for me

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    you'll have to spell out what you mean for me
    You said they had no hard stance defending fluoridation.

    Do they have a hard stance defending water itself?

    This could a bigger scandal than you think.

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    You said they had no hard stance defending fluoridation.

    Do they have a hard stance defending water itself?

    This could a bigger scandal than you think.


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    Do they have a hard stance defending oxygen?

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    Do they have a hard stance defending oxygen?
    I'm not sure what you're point is. Are you equating fluoride with oxygen?

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    I'm not sure what you're point is. Are you equating fluoride with oxygen?
    Well if they don't take a hard stance defending it, how can we trust it? That was your point.

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    Well if they don't take a hard stance defending it, how can we trust it? That was your point.
    They felt it necessary to write about it. As opposed to oxygen.

    So do you think the countries than ban fluoridation have it wrong?

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    Watch out you aren't inundated with anecdotes.

    Why take a chance if you have doubts (sounds similar to vaccines)? The absolute minimum - dental cleaning every six months and floss and brush at night (before sleeping). Next, rinse after every meal. Then, brush after every meal. And for kids, remind them: PEA sized toothpaste, not the length of the toothpaste.

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