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Chris is afraid of all the white Canadians and Europeans voting illegally.
Who said anything about brown people? Did I trigger a tangent?
Chris is afraid of all the white Canadians and Europeans voting illegally.
Old people, disabled people, sick people, poor people, people who live far away from the licensing agency.
It's been clear for some time that voter ID laws as currently constructed disqualify far more legit than fake voters.
If we had a system on national ID ins uted at birth and automatic voter registration I might feel somewhat different about the requirement -- though truth be told there are foreseeable issues with national ID too.
The devil's in the details.
Why exactly do we need ID laws? Why spend the money?
You want me to walk you to your fear of brown people, we can get there.
They must show Id to buy their smokes and beer
Brown people do not have Id to buy smokes or beer?
no, the 50 year old black guy with a white beard in Greensboro North Carolina isn’t getting carded when he goes to buy alcohol.
Voting is more important than smokes and beer, that's exactly why the trend in the 20th century was to remove technical barriers to voting like poll taxes and literacy tests, that mainly served to keep US citizens from voting.
Voter ID laws as currently constructed do the same and should be rubbished.
The problem they purport to solve, voter impersonation, is statistically close to nil.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ually-nothing/
- In one of the most comprehensive investigations of fraud, Justin Levitt of Loyola Law School, Los Angeles turned up 31 credible instances of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion votes cast between 2000 and 2014. Some of those cases may have been because of clerical errors. Levitt's investigation suggests that while voter impersonation does indeed happen, it happens so rarely that the rate is approximately one instance out of ever 32 million ballots cast. This is similar to the odds of getting “heads” 25 times in a row on a coin toss.
same for 2016:
- In December, a Washington Post analysis of news reports found four do ented cases of voter fraud out of about 136 million votes cast. That would yield a voter fraud rate of one instance per every 34 million ballots, close to what Levitt's investigation turned up. Two of those fraud cases involved Trump voters trying to vote twice, one involved a Republican election judge trying to fill out a ballot on behalf of her dead husband, and the last involved a poll worker filling in bubbles for a mayoral candidate in absentee ballots in Florida.
- A team of Dartmouth researchers undertook a comprehensive statistical investigationof the 2016 results, looking for evidence of abnormal voting patterns. They checked for evidence of noncitizen voting, dead people voting and tampering by election officials. They didn't find any. “Our findings do strongly suggest, however, that voter fraud concerns fomented by the Trump campaign are not grounded in any observable features of the 2016 presidential election,” they concluded (emphasis theirs). “There is no evidence of millions of fraudulent votes.”
voter roll maintenance, voting site shenanigans, student eligibilty reqirements and limiting early voting were other sources of voter suppression:
https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/voting-problems-2018
Yep.
The rate of voter impersonation is approximately zero.
the SOS has screwed up the working relationship of county election officials with the state, first by giving them unreliable information, then by throwing them under the bus in court:
https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02...ship-counties/And in defending against three federal lawsuits over allegations the process is uncons utional and discriminatory, top state lawyers and Ingram have instead sought to blame local election officials for moving too quickly on data the secretary of state’s office repeatedly said was “actionable.”
At least nine counties are now caught up in the litigation after they sent out letters asking for proof of citizenship to voters on their lists — and the state’s own lawyers are suggesting they were the ones who broke the law.
So how many actually?
31 fake votes out of one billion nationwide over 14 years, most of them clerical mistakes or confusion about the the law with zero criminal intent.
we don't need a law to police a problem so small.
it would make far more sense to focus on absentee voting. there's this recent US Congressional election in NC that was spoiled due to a Republican who got caught harvesting absentee ballots, perhaps you've heard of it.
can you cite any similar instance attributable to voter impersonation?
yawn, fraudulent Repug claims of in-person voter fraud in the Ms, as fraudulent pretext for voter suppression of legitimate voters.
we lost. therefore it must be fraud
93000 illegals on voter rolls
The best was on midterm night when someone on Fox News literally said "These Liberals just want to keep counting votes until the results change!"we lost. therefore it must be fraud
31 fake votes out of one billion nationwide over 14 years, most of them clerical mistakes or confusion about the the law with zero criminal intent.
Hail Satan.
I guess counting is not in your wheelhouse.
14%, tbh
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