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this is pretty rich for somebody that was first in line cheerleading for the tax cuts...
Our military spending has become a jobs program for hundreds of thousands of people. One of the most socialist things this country does is create artificial demand that allows Lockheed Martin to have 100k employees.
this is pretty rich for somebody that was first in line cheerleading for the tax cuts...
Jobs and pension.
Jobs and pension and healthcare.
"America takes care of its veterans. Grrr! Arghh!"
No one's saying it's a bad thing. It's just socialism.
You should consider the military, Chris. Get out from under the parents' roof, interact with real people, toughen up, make some money eventually... contribute something positive to your country? What do you have to lose?
Even if you take out the subcontracting (which would be pretty disingenuous, but still), it's a government program 100% taxpayer funded, for the well-being/security of the general population. In other words it's the 'security safety net' for every American.
It's a socialist endeavor to a T, IMO, the only part where capitalism comes in is when subcontractors make money out of the government contracts.
You should consider the viability of suicide.
How does 600 bases around the world and wars with goat herders help Americans (Trump was against those wars. Yes, Trump good now in that regard)? How does trillions spent on conventional weapons (which are an outdated national defense concept since the proliferation of nukes) help Americans? We even have a base in Saudi Arabia, the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world
The great Ike warned about this .
Not arguing about any of that or the military industrial complex. The people who were losing their minds when Trump started pulling of Syria.How does 600 bases around the world and wars with goat herders help Americans (Trump was against those wars. Yes, Trump good now in that regard)? How does trillions spent on conventional weapons (which are an outdated national defense concept since the proliferation of nukes) help Americans? We even have a base in Saudi Arabia, the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world
The great Ike warned about this .
https://www.politifact.com/punditfac...yearly-keep-t/How does 600 bases around the world and wars with goat herders help Americans (Trump was against those wars. Yes, Trump good now in that regard)? How does trillions spent on conventional weapons (which are an outdated national defense concept since the proliferation of nukes) help Americans? We even have a base in Saudi Arabia, the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world
The great Ike warned about this .
:: Do European allies pay U.S. $2.5 billion yearly to keep troops there?
:: Would it cost more to bring the troops home?
USA should have never found itself in this position but RIGHT NOW....do you really want those "trained killers" out on our streets and likely many of them unemployed? Over time they would fill the jobs immigrants are. Such a ridiculous predicament America has cornered itself in.
Loses a long battle after having won it for 25,000 jobs
"Incredibly, I have heard city and state elected officials who were opponents of the project claim that Amazon was getting $3 billion in government subsidies that could have been better spent on housing or transportation. This is either a blatant untruth or fundamental ignorance of basic math by a group of elected officials. The city and state 'gave' Amazon nothing. Amazon was to build their headquarters with union jobs and pay the city and state $27 billion in revenues. The city, through existing as-of-right tax credits, and the state through Excelsior Tax credits - a program approved by the same legislators railing against it - would provide up to $3 billion in tax relief, IF Amazon created the 25,000-40,000 jobs and thus generated $27 billion in revenue. You don't need to be the State's Budget Director to know that a nine to one return on your investment is a winner.
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/ope...garding-amazon
Trained killers?
You ever try to walk onto a military base? Socialist endeavors are community access endeavors like public parks and such. Tax and spend for the military is a signature of a conservative war machine that feeds private businesses, not socialism. The term "military industrial complex" is anything but socialism. The military doesn't control the means of production - their assets come from private industry. They do not distribute any goods, they have no product. You cannot hire the military, they will not work for or answer to the general public.
The plain and simple fact is AOC is a walking, talking Cluster .
That's ridiculous. Access to buildings has nothing to do with socialism. You couldn't walk into the KGB building in communist Russia either, yet nobody would doubt for a second to call it communism. You probably can't walk into Maduro's banana republic palace right now.
In addition, their assets come both from the private industry AND government. Los Alamos is not a private sector business, it's a government owned and funded lab. The first ever nukes were produced in it's entirety there. And you can ask Hiroshima and Nagasaki what that product looked like. Coming to more recent days, the NSA is well known for producing exploits (that were leaked a while back) to access adversary systems, in-house. That they don't sell them or distribute them, doesn't make it any less of a product.
That the government opts to subcontract a lot of the production doesn't turn all the system upside down into, suddenly, a capitalist system. A lot of the R&D some of these companies obtain to build those products were actually funded by the taxpayers (and, I did admit that there's a capitalist component in those transactions).
Let's see a basic definition of socialism:
A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
The military is outright owned and regulated by our representatives, thus by extension, the community. They might not take direct orders from the general public, but they sure as heck take orders from the representatives the general public put in place, AND get paid from the general public's taxed monies.
Communism is the system that can't divorce the political from the economic side, that's not the case with socialism. That's why there's Social-Democracies all around the world, where social programs live next to capitalism and a democratic political system.
And lastly, if your contention holds true, then Medicare, Medicaid, Foodstamps, none of those are socialism either. They don't control the means of production. They don't distribute any good, or have a product. Under that premise, Medicare for all is not socialism?
You should consider the viability of our lord and savior, satan.
... who happens to be running rings around Trump party officials and conservatives on social media. What does it say about conservative politicians that they are getting pwned so hard by "a walking, talking Cluster ?
No, she didn't. Feel free to support that assertion [about $26 billion dollars]
More factless bull tery.[smiley][derision]
Taking a page from spurminator's playbook. You're upping your game. SAD!
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. [smiley][derision] doesn't really count.
If you had anything to back up your claim, you could provide it easily. You chose not to.
The funniest part is that you are trying to make fun of the concept of opportunity cost, as if your mockery makes the concept invalid.
I'm sure that would come as a surprise to people with PhD's in economics or accounting.
"holy did you see this new academic paper by this guy on basket ball forum? HE SAID LOL!! Our understanding of the economy is turned upside down"
Being snarky on social media does not necessarily equal good politics or good policy. There is no doubt the media has given her more power than is justified by her position as a newly elected junior representative because her constant stream of inflammatory comments have been deemed newsworthy. The irony is she is forcing the 2020 political discussion so far left that the candidate that ultimately survives the primary will probably have taken such far left positions to pass that hurdle that they will be crippled in the general election having to defend them. The attack ads will be vicious.
Sounds like
Trump.
Only he holds a bit more important position
You gave the definition then you set out to debunk it. Community as a whole does not equal "our representatives". Congress and the POTUS controls the military, the community has no say. Otherwise martial law could never be in effect. What part of socialism allows you to opt out? What part of socialism puts you in prison for quitting your job? What part has you invading another country to secure oil fields for capitalists who never served a day?
The programs you mentioned are not departments, these are programs. Do you think the Dept of Agriculture is a socialist department? I agree some aspects of military life resemble socialism, like living on a base (not free btw) but that's about as far as it goes. If you receive separate rations and live off base, you eat off base most of the time. You have to pay for your uniforms even though you get a small allowance. There are private contractors working beside you most of the time especially on new platforms. There are GS level employees overseeing a lot of what the military departments are doing. They make exponentially more than the soldiers, sailors and airmen doing basically the same jobs. That's hardly socialism. Again, it is made up of volunteers who come and go. Socialism isn't.
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