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  1. 03-01-2019 #26
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    The Suns are just the Lakers farm team anyway. I bet Magic is paying James Jones under the table, and using all this tampering as a smokescreen.
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  2. 03-02-2019 #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Body
    Booker is trash. Massive mistake giving him that money.
    How is he trash? And what were they supposed to do, not pay him and be left with nobody?
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  3. 03-02-2019 #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy
    How is he trash? And what were they supposed to do, not pay him and be left with nobody?
    They should have done it. With Booker they are still one of the worst teams in the league and if not the worst. What's the point of giving a player hundreds of millions of dollars just to be a consistent lottery team. You could have done that at a much cheaper price.
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  4. 03-02-2019 #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by phxspurfan
    I actually didn't agree that Ayton was the best consensus #1 last year. I'm not a scout of course, but to me, in Today's NBA a player like Doncic would have a much higher ceiling than a big lumbering center. I think teams get caught up in pre-draft rankings and believe scouts too much, making guys like Darko Milicic etc high picks based on scout opinions and group think, versus their own assessments (of course they evaluate players themselves, but those evaluations seem to lead toward group think as well).


    https://www.nbadraft.net/nba_final_draft/2018


    TBH without even looking at stats, I'd say for Today's wing-happy NBA, a player like JJ Jr. would be higher than Ayton in terms of potential (if he could turn into a PG13/LeBron/KD type of player, that would be more valuable than if Ayton could turn into an Embiid/Towns). Doncic (disregarding what we already see from stats/his play time in the NBA), would still be a risk, since he is coming from European leagues, which have produced a number of busts.

    Even a player like Mo Bamba, or Trae Young, seems better fitted for Today's NBA than Ayton. These types of players can't be chased off the court by an opposing coach going with small ball.
    Ayton will be a good piece should the NBA rules get adjusted to stop all this pussy ball. Hard to say if it will; the consumers aren't demanding it at this point. Either way, he's an athletic big and not a lumbering big; that is very doable in today's NBA.

    Doncic is not a bust. His production and confidence is only going to increase. He was the best player in the draft.
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  5. 03-02-2019 #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurtacular
    Ayton will be a good piece should the NBA rules get adjusted to stop all this pussy ball. Hard to say if it will; the consumers aren't demanding it at this point. Either way, he's an athletic big and not a lumbering big; that is very doable in today's NBA.
    Even if pussyball doesn't go away, athletic and skilled bigs like Ayton will be just fine. He's averaging 16 and 11 on nearly 60% shooting as a 19 year-old rookie on the most dysfunctional team in the NBA. He'll be averaging 20 and 10 in no time. He probably averages >20 PPG as a rookie if the Suns' point guard position wasn't such a partial birth abortion.

    The centers who have essentially become useless are guys like Eric Dampier who have no real skill to speak up and are just big and clog up the paint. That type of player is pretty much done in today's NBA.
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  6. 03-02-2019 #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Hunting
    Even if pussyball doesn't go away, athletic and skilled bigs like Ayton will be just fine. He's averaging 16 and 11 on nearly 60% shooting as a 19 year-old rookie on the most dysfunctional team in the NBA. He'll be averaging 20 and 10 in no time. He probably averages >20 PPG as a rookie if the Suns' point guard position wasn't such a partial birth abortion.

    The centers who have essentially become useless are guys like Eric Dampier who have no real skill to speak up and are just big and clog up the paint. That type of player is pretty much done in today's NBA.
    Pretty much what I was saying; though, players often have higher scoring numbers on teams, so I don't put stock into that. I haven't watched him really; but I would forecast 22-12.
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  7. 03-03-2019 #32
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    Ayton got the better of LeBron tonight. A satisfying win in an ugly season.
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  8. 03-03-2019 #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Hunting
    James Jones doesn’t have an “unorthodox” approach, he has no approach at all. He’s a lameduck interim GM who’s losing his job so he’s not going to bust his ass doing any work. Sarver having him as an interim GM for this long is inexcusable.

    The Suns have a team to get excited about now, Ayton and Booker are not a bad core to build around at all, the morale of that entire franchise is so low though that talent doesn’t matter. Sarver has run off all the good front office guys they had (David Griffin, Rick Welts, Steve Kerr, etc) and no one wants to work for him anymore.
    Wait..is this the same Miami Hest James Jones?

    I havent been following the NBA as much but if this is the same jones



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  9. 03-03-2019 #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy
    Ayton got the better of LeBron tonight. A satisfying win in an tanking season.
    FIFY
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  10. 03-03-2019 #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by apalisoc_9
    Wait..is this the same Miami Hest James Jones?

    I havent been following the NBA as much but if this is the same jones



    indeed is
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  11. 03-03-2019 #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Hunting
    indeed is
    I’m surprised he’s not the Lakers’ GM tbh considering how he followed LeBron his entire career.
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    Tbh, change le to:

    ”Report: Los Angeles Lakers organization is in ‘a spiral in almost every way’”.
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  13. 03-03-2019 #38
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    They beat the desperate Lakers; they're not spiraling that much...
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  14. 03-04-2019 #39
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    New top story on ESPN:

    Inside the Phoenix Suns' messy and dysfunctional front office
    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...l-front-office

    And by “messy” they aren’t kidding:


    FOUR YEARS AFTER naming McDonough general manager, Sarver acquired some live goats from a Diana Taurasi event at Talking Stick Resort Arena and planted them upstairs in McDonough's office. The stunt was both a practical joke and an inspirational message -- the Suns should find a GOAT of their own, one who dominates like Taurasi. The goats, unaware of their metaphorical connotation, proceeded to defecate all over McDonough's office.
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  15. 03-04-2019 #40
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    If I saw a bunch of goats in the office I would think that would be some creepy Satanic , and gtfo
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  16. 03-04-2019 #41
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    I think Silver and the other owners are trying to pressure him to sell, which is why stories like this (that are probably 2 years old) are suddenly starting to get leaked.

    He was always going to be on the list of Silver/Stern after how he handled the last CBA negotiation, but the Suns have become such a cluster the NBA probably wants to step in at this point and change ownership.
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  17. 03-04-2019 #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris
    If I saw a bunch of goats in the office I would think that would be some creepy Satanic , and gtfo
    My response would have been a question as to why my boss is willing to buy goats to prank his employees but won't spend money on stuff like a fully staffed scouting department
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  18. 03-04-2019 #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Hunting
    He was always going to be on the list of Silver/Stern after how he handled the last CBA negotiation
    I don't remember, what was Sarver doing during the negotiation of the CBA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by baseline bum
    I don't remember, what was Sarver doing during the negotiation of the CBA?
    He was making the most ridiculous proposals ever that every owner other than Sterling said was asinine. He proposed (and was completely serious) a hard salary cap of $60 million and a max contract of $12 million per year, and when he was negotiating with players, tried explaining to them that he couldn't afford to pay them what they're asking for because his wife is "expecting him to bring the mid level exception home in a designer handbag" (comment wasn't tongue in cheek either, players reported that it was a serious effort to get the players to empathize with why he needed them to take less money).

    There was one point in the negotiations where it was owners + Stern in a room and Sarver asked Stern to leave the room so the owners could "talk amongst themselves". The rumors were that more or less none of the other owners backed him up on that at all, and afterward Stern pulled him aside and threatened him with what would happen if he ever tried that again.
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  20. 03-04-2019 #45
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    Here's the article baseline bum:

    https://nba.nbcsports.com/2011/10/01...ously-thought/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Hunting
    He was making the most ridiculous proposals ever that every owner other than Sterling said was asinine. He proposed (and was completely serious) a hard salary cap of $60 million and a max contract of $12 million per year, and when he was negotiating with players, tried explaining to them that he couldn't afford to pay them what they're asking for because his wife is "expecting him to bring the mid level exception home in a designer handbag" (comment wasn't tongue in cheek either, players reported that it was a serious effort to get the players to empathize with why he needed them to take less money).
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  22. 03-05-2019 #47
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    Ayton got the better of Giannis tonight.

    Last game, he got the defensive assignment on LeBron and tonight he was guarding Giannis. And the result was 2 Suns wins in a row.
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  23. 03-05-2019 #48
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    Just like the Suns to start giving a and playing well when vacation is well in sight.
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