ST Democrats: Who do you want to win the 2020 Nomination?

[Millennial_Messiah]

The states with the highest incarceration rate per 100,000 adults (as of 2016) were Oklahoma, Louisiana, Missippi, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Arizona Kentucky and Missouri, in that order. You got me, I CLEARLY want all those liberal states with a disproportionately high prison population getting more of a vote

The vast, vast majority of incarcerated whites are right wing. It's not surprising.

[Spurtacular]

How come? Please provide logic.

What contrast does he offer? None. Not gonna kick out an in bent.

[Pavlov]

What contrast does he offer? None.

[Spurtacular]

Tell us about the contrast, psychopav.

[Will Hunting]

The vast, vast majority of incarcerated whites are right wing. It's not surprising.

You’re saying the incarcerated population in states like Georgia is predominantly white?

[pgardn]

The states with the highest incarceration rate per 100,000 adults (as of 2016) were Oklahoma, Louisiana, Missippi, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Arizona Kentucky and Missouri, in that order. You got me, I CLEARLY want all those liberal states with a disproportionately high prison population getting more of a vote

rmt takes a debilitating blow to the midsection

[ElNono]

Any in bent overseeing good economic times is not "fairly weak." That's just not how it works.

It wouldn't be unprecedented, tbh, happened to Bush Sr, after a relatively short downturn in the economy. We'll see what the economy looks like when the elections come around. People have relatively short memory, IMO.
Doesn't help either that the economy was already in the upswing when he took over (and by that I don't mean he shouldn't take credit for the economy doing well, I mean that's much easier to campaign on an economic turnaround).

War time presidents also normally have better support for re-election, but, well, we're not officially at war (at least not on a new war campaign).

Lastly, this is something I mentioned in the past and not specific to Trump, the GOP generally has an election numbers problem. Even though we use an electoral votes system, consistently losing the popular vote is a trend they'll have to turnaround sooner rather than later, or their avenues to victory will continue to diminish. Plus, I think it'll be interesting to see how the rust belt reacts to the current economic realities, a path that was key for the original upset.

All that said, I still think he's largely the favorite right now, mostly because the Dem field looks fragmented and uninteresting so far.

[Spurtacular]

It wouldn't be unprecedented, tbh, happened to Bush Sr, after a relatively short downturn in the economy.

The recession and its effects hit all during campaign time. That could still happen to Trump, but I'm not expecting it.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You’re saying the incarcerated population in states like Georgia is predominantly white?

Nope, because they're majority black ( lanta). Then again, blacks vote in lower turnouts than whites, historically.

[Millennial_Messiah]

It wouldn't be unprecedented, tbh, happened to Bush Sr, after a relatively short downturn in the economy. We'll see what the economy looks like when the elections come around. People have relatively short memory, IMO.

It happened to Bush Sr because

a) people were tired of 12 years of the GOP... they wanted something fresh
b) Bush Sr lied about raising taxes and instead raised them in order to police the world... dumb dumb dumb
c) Ross Perot

12 years of the same party/policy is too much. 4 years is completely different.

[Spurtacular]

Doesn't help either that the economy was already in the upswing when he took over

Trump has been the steward of the economy, not Obama. Only the partisans will be arguing in those margins.

[Millennial_Messiah]

the GOP generally has an election numbers problem. Even though we use an electoral votes system, consistently losing the popular vote is a trend they'll have to turnaround sooner rather than later, or their avenues to victory will continue to diminish.

I agree, and it's going to have to mean at some point appealing to Hispanics.

Latinos have socially conservative values and are usually more capitalistic than socialistic, but the immigration thing has burned the GOP badly, because it's painted them as racist and anti-Latino. However we can't just let everyone from Latin America in. Cesar Chavez advocated that the Hispanics already in the USA should be protected from compe ion by closing off most immigration. The theory that if there are 5 job seekers to a job it would be worse for Hispanics than if there were 2 job seekers to a job. It makes perfect sense and the GOP must stress examples like this, plus cater to the social conservatism.

[Reck]

It wouldn't be unprecedented, tbh, happened to Bush Sr, after a relatively short downturn in the economy. We'll see what the economy looks like when the elections come around. People have relatively short memory, IMO.
Doesn't help either that the economy was already in the upswing when he took over (and by that I don't mean he shouldn't take credit for the economy doing well, I mean that's much easier to campaign on an economic turnaround).

War time presidents also normally have better support for re-election, but, well, we're not officially at war (at least not on a new war campaign).

Lastly, this is something I mentioned in the past and not specific to Trump, the GOP generally has an election numbers problem. Even though we use an electoral votes system, consistently losing the popular vote is a trend they'll have to turnaround sooner rather than later, or their avenues to victory will continue to diminish. Plus, I think it'll be interesting to see how the rust belt reacts to the current economic realities, a path that was key for the original upset.

All that said, I still think he's largely the favorite right now, mostly because the Dem field looks fragmented and uninteresting so far.

I was just gonna say...Obama? What Obama?

The economy is doing well because of mah Trump. Then derp proves me right.

[Pavlov]

It will be interesting to see how Dennison handles an economic downturn. He seems primed to blame the fed for everything which I guess is why he wants to pack it with TV loudmouths and @pizza makers. But then what? Moar QE?

[Spurtacular]

I was just gonna say...Obama? What Obama?

The economy is doing well because of mah Trump. Then derp proves me right.

Yea, Obama's trillions for non-existent shovel ready jobs saved the day.

[Spurtacular]

It will be interesting to see how Dennison handles an economic downturn. He seems primed to blame the fed for everything which I guess is why he wants to pack it with TV loudmouths and @pizza makers. But then what? Moar QE?

I'm still waiting for the Biden/Trump contrast. Go ahead and tell us.

[Reck]

[Pavlov]

I'm still waiting for the Biden/Trump contrast. Go ahead and tell us.

You like Biden as much as you like Trump and think he will do just as good a job as president.

[Spurtacular]

You like Biden as much as you like Trump.

Tell us about the contrast. What is going to win the voters over.

[Pavlov]

Tell us about the contrast. What is going to win the voters over.

You like Biden as much as you like Trump and think he will do just as good a job as president.

You see no difference whatsoever.

[Spurtacular]

You like Biden as much as you like Trump and think he will do just as good a job as president.

You see no difference whatsoever.

The voters aren't gonna care about replacing Trump with Creepy Joe. You simply can't give any good reasons, so you're trying to do a semantic play. Par.

[Pavlov]

The voters aren't gonna care about replacing Trump with Creepy Joe. You simply can't give any good reasons, so you're trying to do a semantic play. Par.

It's not semantics. You like Biden as much as you like Trump and think he will do just as good a job as president.

You see no contrast whatsoever.

[Spurtacular]

It's not semantics. You like Biden as much as you like Trump and think he will do just as good a job as president.

You see no contrast whatsoever.

So, your position is there is no contrast whatsoever.

[Pavlov]

So, your position is there is no contrast whatsoever.

It's your position.

I never said it was my position.

Quit lying.

Why do you always lie?

[ducks]

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