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one season, you said multiple. How did the team do that year? Just asking for a friend tbh
So Pippen isn't one of the greatest basketball players of all time?
I’d put Dirk ahead of no tippin Pippen.
Duncan led that team in total points. Manu led in PPG but naturally played less games because of injuries from having to play more than his casual 25 MPG
Hard to do that. His actual yearly load when you include his regular season+playoff+international minutes was much higher than the picture you are trying to paint though. That's something you can't dispute.
They made the Western Conference Finals.
That wasn't the question though.
Sure it is, especially when you can’t even give me actual numbers to back up your claim.
We’re in agreement though that backing up your hypothetical Manu arguments is something that’s hard to do.
lol no those are facts son
Specify what “one of the greatest basketball players of all time” means and I’ll answer it.
Also, number one option =/= most points. Nash was the number one option of the mid '00s Suns, but Amare would average more points.
If they’re facts you’d have actual numbers to back them up.
You: lol all he played was 25 MPG of course he played past 40
Me: what about all his international minutes and additional minutes from all those deep playoff runs?
You: well he you don't have actual numbers so I can still say lol he only played 25 MPG
Great argument
So what year was Manu the #1 option for the Spurs? Be specific.
rofl Manu was not some high volume assist guy that the offense flowed through like Nash was, you're just talking out of your ass. Where are you even going with this one?
Sounds about right. You keep saying “all those international minutes” yet can’t give me any specifics behind the actual quan y of international minutesYou: lol all he played was 25 MPG of course he played past 40
Me: what about all his international minutes and additional minutes from all those deep playoff runs?
You: well he you don't have actual numbers so I can still say lol he only played 25 MPG
Great argument
but in a world where up is down and on a night when the moon shines on a coyotes’ asshole, he could have been!!!
2008, 2010 and 2011.
You are probably a Mavs fan. Do you remember the 2010 Spurs-Mavs series? Do you remember who was the number one option for the Spurs in that?
Oh ok, so you can say "he could've had 3 rings if he just didn't choke in 06 and 07" as if those chokes don't actually detract from his legacy not add to it but I can't bring up Manu's foul or else it's hate?
Uh, let's see Scottie was 3rd in MVP voting in 93-94. Led the Bulls to the 3rd seed. But yeah, let's just ignore that. Real objective.
Yeah, Manu would have led a sub .500 team without prime Duncan. Just like he did in the Olympics? Or when TD first started his decline, before he lost all the weight and transformed himself into a great role player? Right?
Who told you Jimmy Butler is a better two way player than Durbeta? Butler isn't even a tier one guy. He's like a third tier star. Stop with the dumb comparisons.
Sure, it was a nice accomplishment but don't be dramatic about it. As a Spurs fan, I'm not going to stand here and act like the Lakers team that the Spurs beat in '03 didn't fall off some from the dominant ass '01 team. Why are you trying so hard to prop up Dirk?
Dude, they were an 8th seed in 2010. 4th seed in 2011. 2nd seed and eventual Western Conference champs in 2012. Their big three+Abaka were still young. It's common sense that they were still developing. Were the Warriors we beat in 2013 the same monsters they ended up becoming in 2015? Of course not. Don't be dumb.
1. The olympics is a accomplishment. Evident by Laker fans using it to prop up Kobe over Duncan. It's one game win all tournament just like the NCAA tournament which allows upsets to happen. I don't respect that format and never will.
2. Duncan even when he declined was still an all-star player. Let's be real here he wasn't a role player like you are making him out to be. During the second worst season of his career which was '10-'11 season he was an all-star. Even if that argument was true Manu got to play with prime Tony from '08-'13 who was a top 5 PG around that time. He had plenty of help so I can't say he ever lead a team filled with only role players.
3. Bulls in '93-'94 had Horance Grant who was an all-star player that year along with BJ Armstrong who was another all-star. They added Kukoc who was a great sixth man. Their center Cartwright was a great defensive player who was the equivalent of what Bogut used to be for the Warriors. They also added Longley. Pippen had a lot of help that year. Bulls lost Grant,Cartwright to FA in the summer of '94 and it resulted in Pippen putting up empty stats and leading the bulls to a sub .500 record in the '94-'95 season until Jordan came back late in the year to rescue them. You wouldn't know all this since you were in diapers back then.
3. If Butler is a tier 3 star than Manu is to since Butler's career statistics are higher than Manu's. You originally said Manu was better than Dirk because he was elite at both ends while Dirk wasn't. I said according to your logic than Butler has to be better than Durant since he's elite at both ends while Durant is only elite at the offensive end. You said it was a dumb comparison which proves my point that your logic is flawed.
4. I'm not trying to prop Dirk just I don't believe in being a myopic fan like you are. I despised the out of Dirk in '06 and '09. I couldn't stand his flopping and whining but at the same time I can't acknowledge that Manu is better than him. Manu never had a playoff run that was ever better than Dirk's best playoff run or a playoff series that was ever better than Dirk's best playoff series. Feel free to post a playoff series or playoff run Manu had that was better than Dirk.
5. Comparing the 2013 Warriors to the 2011 Thunder is a terrible comparison. Durant in 2011 made all-nba first team while Westbrook was on all-nba second team. By 2011 they were both already superstars. Curry and Klay were good in '13 but they didn't make any All-NBA teams and were not all-stars.
I think 2008 is debatable but I’ll conceed 2010 and 2011 and either way, none of those teams made it past the WCF.
Im in agreement that Manu is as good as the Paul Pierce/Ray Allen type wing scorer who could be the #1 option on a team capable of winning 55+ games and winning a playoff series or two.
How are you defining the number one option?
As the guy that had the most offensive responsabilities on the entire team. The guy that had the most possessions going through his hands. The guy the other team most had to account for in terms of defensive scheming. You know, the usual stuff.
In 2008 Duncan was still the guy teams always had to worry more about accounting for but Manu always drew more attention than Parker did imo.
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