OT: Best Athletes in ball sports.

[midnightpulp]

you compared trout's in-game speed to NFL in-game speed. thats disingenuous.

then for some reason you were skeptical of shaquem griffin's weight at the combine. i told you that he indeed weighed in at 227 and then you changed the subject to how amazing trout is.

then you turned it into baseball vs soccer

It's also disingenuous to compare grass to baseball infield dirt (you didn't play both sports, so you wouldn't know. Fun fact. The fastest MPH ever in baseball were achieved on grass by outfielders). It's also disingenuous to not consider that top speeds aren't reached until about 60m running in a straight line. Many of the top speeds in the NFL were reached via 50, 60, 70 yard plays. Even in my OP example, the top NFL speed was reached at 99 feet. Trout's 21.50mph speed came via a stolen base, which actually isn't 90 feet and more like 78 feet (12 foot lead off). So again, do you deny the fastest baseball players aren't as fast as the fastest NFL players? Deion Sanders is still one of the top 10 fastest NFL players to live, and Billy Hamilton beat his home-to-third time.

Seems like you're Philo'ing just to Philo.

[spurraider21]

It's also disingenuous to compare grass to baseball infield dirt (you didn't play both sports, so you wouldn't know. Fun fact. The fastest MPH ever in baseball were achieved on grass by outfielders). It's also disingenuous to not consider that top speeds aren't reached until about 60m running in a straight line. Many of the top speeds in the NFL were reached via 50, 60, 70 yard plays. Even in my OP example, the top NFL speed was reached at 99 feet. Trout's 21.50mph speed came via a stolen base, which actually isn't 90 feet and more like 78 feet (12 foot lead off). So again, do you deny the fastest baseball players aren't as fast as the fastest NFL players? Deion Sanders is still one of the top 10 fastest NFL players to live, and Billy Hamilton beat his home-to-third time.

Seems like you're Philo'ing just to Philo.

i agree that dirt is not optimal for running... when you have those soccer/football fields with baseball diamonds in them, you can always notice the difference in speed when they pass over a dirt region. i experienced that playing soccer growing up, and its very noticeable for raiders home games

im not philo-ing. you compared baseball on-field times to football on-field times. the gear has more effect than the surface. in baseball you only have to run exactly in a straight line and dont have to check your periphery to see if you have to make somebody miss, or if somebody is chasing you down, etc.

i never denied that baseball players are as fast as football players. dont know where you got that from. but trout is among the outliers as far as having an athletic build. im sure guys like juan pierre and jose reyes could outrun NFL guys.

[midnightpulp]

i agree that dirt is not optimal for running... when you have those soccer/football fields with baseball diamonds in them, you can always notice the difference in speed when they pass over a dirt region. i experienced that playing soccer growing up, and its very noticeable for raiders home games

im not philo-ing. you compared baseball on-field times to football on-field times. the gear has more effect than the surface. in baseball you only have to run exactly in a straight line and dont have to check your periphery to see if you have to make somebody miss, or if somebody is chasing you down, etc.

i never denied that baseball players are as fast as football players. dont know where you got that from. but trout is among the outliers as far as having an athletic build. im sure guys like juan pierre and jose reyes could outrun NFL guys.

Yeah, but baseball players don't get to run in a straight line as far as football players do. They only get about 80 to 90 feet of head down straight ahead sprinting. Furthermore, many of the +22mph feats were in the outfield. Keeping your head up to track a fly ball affects speed as much checking your periphery. I felt you were Philo'ing (Philo'ing is splitting insignificant hairs, as we know) because 21.50 over 78 feet on dirt vs. 22.09 mph on grass over 99 feet plus football gear is basically a wash. That said, I don't think Trout is faster than the top NFL speedsters. Tyreek Hill has Olympic level speed, I was just putting Trout's speed in context vs. NFL players, who are undoubtedly the fastest athletes (at the skill positions) in all of ball sports.

Not sure what you mean by Trout being an outlier of having an "athletic build?' Do you mean +220lb guys that also have elite speed? Most outfielders and shortstops are built like wide receivers, having the 6' 200lb build. Many of them were elite HS WRs and CBs as well.

[Benoit]

All time: Aaron Rodgers, Lebron James, Mike Trout

Current: Pat Mahomes, Steph, Mike Trout

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[apalisoc_9]

[Will Hunting]

> "A BMI of greater than 30 is considered to be in the obese (over fat) category. In 2012, the average BMI in the NFL was 31.35"

Sure, there's some "shredded" outliers in the sport, but the majority of football players have round-belly, slob builds.

Not athletes

So you think OBJ has a BMI over 30