Russian Interference Poll & Discussion

[Will Hunting]

he certainly didnt close the book on obstruction. i just think thats a losing political battle... senate will never convict him. after a more careful reading following the release day hoopla, if anything he basically went as far as he legally could on the end, imo

Fair and I should clarify I was just talking about the Russian collusion when I say "closed the door".

Impeaching for obstruction of justice would be grandstanding imo. I know the response to this will be but they were grandstanding when they impeached muh Clinton but the difference is that impeaching Bill for adultery was a brilliant political move that made it so evangelicals weren't going to vote Democrat for the following 25 years.

[boutons_deux]

IDGAF I'm sick of talking about Russia. If Mueller didn't find conspiracy that's enough for me.

Mueller didn't collusion at a level that would be certain to convince. That's not requirement for impeachment or censure, neither of which would be "symbolic"

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The Mueller report’s collusion section is much worse than you think

The contacts with Russians do ented in the report amount to a

devastating indictment of Trump’s approach to politics.

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/18/18484965/mueller-report-trump-no-collusion

[DarrinS]

Lol, the 2 "huge impact" votes.

Boutons and spurs homer?

[Reck]

Bull , Hillary not getting the blind support of every single Democratic primary voter isn't some historic, unfathomable act of betrayal that no one before her ever had to face the way she and her supporters like to claim. Primary voters defecting in the general election after the guy they voted for didn't win happens in every election, Hillary is just the first candidate who uses it as an excuse and complains about it incessantly. 25% of the Hillary primary voters in 2008 voted for McCain in the general (meaning that Hillary actually did better with Bernie bros in 2016 than Obama did with Shillary voters in 2008), and Obama managed to win the election in a landslide rather than cry about all of the difficulties he faces because of muh betrayal .

The ty turnout for Hillary was because she was a bad candidate who didn't inspire any sort of excitement among voters. She and her supporters seem to think that her not getting 95+% of the vote from all Sanders primary voters created a huge hole she had to dig out of when getting that level of support would have been unusually high.

Also worth noting that among the people who voted for Sanders in the primary and Trump in the general, Obama has an approval rating of 20% and an overwhelming majority of them consider themselves Conservatives. They weren't voters who were ever going to support Hillary.

I said it was a factor. I didn't say it was the definitive cause.

There were something like 10-12% of Bernie voters that voted the other way. If you dont think that had an effect on her losing, then you're just delusional and not worth the time.

[pgardn]

The real point is America was split on these candidates so flip a coin.
Someone had to take office. This was NEVER EVER going to be a landslide as pundits predicted.

So the country was split.
Orange ape goes down in flames 2020 if he does not bust a blood vessel before the election.
Tidal wave incoming.

[Will Hunting]

I said it was a factor. I didn't say it was the definitive cause.

There were something like 10-12% of Bernie voters that voted the other way. If you dont think that had an effect on her losing, then you're just delusional and not worth the time.

Did you not read what I said? I don't dispute that it was a factor, I'm saying it was a perfectly normal factor that goes without saying. 10-12% of a primary opponent's voters defecting in the general happens every election, it wasn't something abnormal that only Hillary had to deal with. Obama dealt with twice the percentage of Hillary primary voters (25%) defecting to McCain in 2008 and still won in a landslide.

Hillary supporters are the only one's claiming it was some unique factor that made it abnormally difficult for Hillary.

[Th'Pusher]

Fair and I should clarify I was just talking about the Russian collusion when I say "closed the door".

Impeaching for obstruction of justice would be grandstanding imo. I know the response to this will be but they were grandstanding when they impeached muh Clinton but the difference is that impeaching Bill for adultery was a brilliant political move that made it so evangelicals weren't going to vote Democrat for the following 25 years.

Bull . Evangelicals not voting for Clinton because of adultery is, at best, an excuse for not being single issue voters. Abortion continues to be the wedge issues that drives evangelicals to the polls irrespective of how abhorrent a human being the republican candidate.

[RandomGuy]

IDGAF I'm sick of talking about Russia. If Mueller didn't find conspiracy that's enough for me. I don't want to see the Democrats running their 2020 campaign based on "durr he obstructed justice" since impeachment would just be symbolic crap when there is no chance of conviction in the senate.

Most agree.

But, the right thing is to hold impeachment proceedings regardless of the realpolitik of the Senate. He obstructed justice, provably so, in multiple instances, and has been abusing his office in this manner since he got elected, AND continues to do so.

It is simply the Cons utional duty of the Congress to impeach him. Senate may not convict, but that is on those who would put party above country.

[Spurs Homer]

Lol, the 2 "huge impact" votes.

Boutons and spurs homer?

nope -

i voted moderate - but you are a cult member - I know how you voted -

one serious question for you:

will YOU drink the kool-aid - when Dear Leader Trump orders you to?

Yes or No?

[RandomGuy]

Lol, the 2 "huge impact" votes.

Boutons and spurs homer?

So have you read the Mueller report yet?

[Spurminator]

It's somewhere between 2 and 3, IMO. I think a lot of the focus in this thread has been whether Russian influenced reduced Hillary votes, but it likely had more influence (if any) on increasing Trump votes.

Trump and the GOP's overt protection of Russia and ambivalence towards any real analysis of their tactics suggests to me that the impact was more than negligible.

[Pavlov]

Um, Russians stole the emails in the first place and that got conflated with her personal server stuff -- so yeah, that's impact.

[Spurtacular]

Um, Russians stole the emails in the first place and that got conflated with her personal server stuff -- so yeah, that's impact.

Tell us what got conflated.

[Winehole23]

um, he just did?

[Psychopav Chump]

Why no present option in the poll?

Shrugs. Write-in: Present.

[Pavlov]

Tell us what got conflated.

um, he just did?

derp

[RandomGuy]

Fair and I should clarify I was just talking about the Russian collusion when I say "closed the door".

Impeaching for obstruction of justice would be grandstanding imo. I know the response to this will be but they were grandstanding when they impeached muh Clinton but the difference is that impeaching Bill for adultery was a brilliant political move that made it so evangelicals weren't going to vote Democrat for the following 25 years.

Evangelicals wouldn't vote for Democrats because of abortion anyway.

I don't see it as "grandstanding" at all. It is the right thing based on what we know.

[Spurtacular]

You just don't know what conflate means.

[Pavlov]

You just don't know what conflate means.

Yes I do. I already said what was conflated.

You're really quite desperate and stupid, derp. Take a breath.

[Spurtacular]

Yes I do. I already said what was conflated.

You're really quite desperate and stupid, derp. Take a breath.

And I asked how anything was conflated. You voted present.

[Pavlov]

And I asked how anything was conflated. You voted present.

Tell us what got conflated.

um, he just did?

derp

Why do you always have to lie?

It's just sad.

[Spurtacular]

derp

Why do you always have to lie?

It's just sad.

But blakehole got my back

Voting present

[Pavlov]

But blakehole got my back

Voting present

you asked what got conflated.

I had already said what got conflated.

You lied about what you asked.

You're melting down.

lol derp

[Spurtacular]

you asked what got conflated.

I had already said what got conflated.

You lied about what you asked.

You're melting down.

lol derp

So, her business wasn't on her personal server?

You just thought it sounded so good, didn't you, Blake Zero?

[Pavlov]

So, her business wasn't on her personal server?

You just thought it sounded so good, didn't you, Blake Zero?

The stolen emails weren't stolen from her server.

Have another great Friday night crying out for men, derp!