OT: Futbol. Walkball?

[midnightpulp]

Again, no I don't Golfers literally walk all that distance so it's meaningless. Also lol at 34 games, any mid tier team in a respectable league will play a lot more than that in a season. Which brings me to my other point: using MLass

Boiled down:::once again those cute little numbers and stats don't mean a thing gjge though

Soccer players walk and lightly jog 98% of their distance. Are you that impressed with walking and light jogging that it's a fact worth bringing up? Soccer players only full on sprint 2% of the time, or 600 feet. EPL is 40 games long. Golfers also play more events outside of the PGA tour. The stats look good. Jack Cork was the distance leader in the EPL at 360km. But remember, the MLS stats are factoring average distance over all players, factoring in goalies and other players who might move less. Goalies average about 1.5 miles per game. The PGA tour is also factoring golfers who don't make the cut.

So, boiled down, following the soccer crew criteria of reducing demand down to distance covered, golfers are more athletic than soccer players. I agree for other reasons, as well. Playing good golf is much harder than kicking a ball around.

[FkLA]

this is the most arbitrary criteria being made up as doublehandjobball fans go along.

”They cover more distance than any other sport so the fact they’re walking most of the time doesn’t matter!”

”They cover less ground than golfers do..”

”Well in golf they’re walking ALL the time instead of most of the time so that obviously doesn’t count!”

That's a stupid ass argument though. The walking in golf isn't even a part of the game itself, there's no compe ion in it. It's just something that's done to get from one hole to the other.

[FkLA]

Oh, and if FkLA sucked at hitting, I don't see how fielding came easy if he was never on the field to try his fielding skills . (I know he didn't play organized baseball, either). Dad hitting slow grounders to you in the backyard doesn't count.

Point is, FKLA evaluates sports from a position of never having played them seriously, reducing "demand" down to how much moving he sees on the television screen.

I missed this post.

Bruh, I feel confident saying I'm more athletic than you so stop taking these little subtle shots at my athleticism. You'd think you were a fringe MLF player or something with the little shots you try to take.

[midnightpulp]

I can agree that some positions in football can be pretty lazy too. Not sure how they're on par with fatball though. It's not like linemen are just standing around not doing 99% of the time like non-pitcher fatball players are.



Don't twist what I'm saying to fit your little narrative, bruh. I'm flat out telling you I don't think fatball is easy. That doesn't change the fact that the game itself is just a bunch of standing around most of the time. Dispute that for me.



I like how you're Mr. scientific until it doesn't benefit your argument. Just lol at using general consensus or a protruding gut as a way to determine fatness. The dude is overweight, period. Which is just embarrassing for a professional "athlete".

So now you know Cabrera's genetics? Are you sure that's the only way he could've gained "mass"? Why didn't he cut after his dirty bulk?

He was already a great player when he was skinny anyways. It's not like he needed to get bigger to help his career. Face it, the dude just took advantage of the liberties fatball afforded him and got fat. Btw I'm pretty sure Cabrera would look worse than that guy in a skin tight suit.

Rulon Gardner is "overweight period." Why aren't you saying he's an embarrassment? Half an NFL team are flat out obese, but since you like the sport, you employ all manner of cognitive dissonance to avoid criticizing them. American football has the fattest, worse body types in all of ball sports. Period. There is no disputing that.

Why would you in' cut if you wanted the added weight ? More mass=hitting the ball harder.

And wow, so fat!



I don't deny baseball players stand around. I say that evaluation of a sport's demands based on how much standing around there might be is re ed. I don't care whether or not if you get tired standing in the outfield. When it comes time to run 100 feet to catch a fly ball and then throw it in at over 90 mph, you naturally lack the athleticism in spades to do that, so denigrating the sport as lazy if you can't meet its athletic demands makes no sense to me. Why on something you're too to do?

[midnightpulp]

I missed this post.

Bruh, I feel confident saying I'm more athletic than you so stop taking these little subtle shots at my athleticism. You'd think you were a fringe MLF player or something with the little shots you try to take.

You're probably 10-12 years younger than me, so I'm sure you are

What organized high school sports did you play? Soccer goalie?

[Will Hunting]

That's a stupid ass argument though. The walking in golf isn't even a part of the game itself, there's no compe ion in it. It's just something that's done to get from one hole to the other.

Yeah sorry but no. The power in a golf swing comes from your lower body and being able to maintain the swing fundamentals after walking several miles is a part of the game. If it wasn’t they would let all of the players use golf carts.

Phil Mickelson for example in his earlier years choked away multiple majors because he was out of shape and started spraying his driver all over the place because of fatigue.

[midnightpulp]

That's a stupid ass argument though. The walking in golf isn't even a part of the game itself, there's no compe ion in it. It's just something that's done to get from one hole to the other.

It doesn't matter. Golfers have to walk. End of story. You're spinning like a in' top since it pains you to appreciate sports you find boring. And that's where your gripe is really centered. You have all the in' praise in the world for Usain Bolt, despite him never having run a mile, despite his sport having MUCH MORE standing around than baseball (i.e. run one heat, stand/sit around for 5 or 6 hours), and despite sprinting testing only one athletic trait.

I also think the gripe has a foundation in dad forcing you to play baseball. If he's a boomer Mexican, that age group loves baseball more than kick. First game, struck out every time. Dad told you to stick with it, it'll come. But the light jogging over at the soccer field where kids don't have to do much of anything to make contact with the ball was much more appealing. I'm not talking , either. Franklin Foer is an American soccer evangelist who did studies on the growth of youth soccer who found baseball was too humbling and frustrating for that age group.

[FkLA]

Rulon Gardner is "overweight period." Why aren't you saying he's an embarrassment? Half an NFL team are flat out obese, but since you like the sport, you employ all manner of cognitive dissonance to avoid criticizing them. American football has the fattest, worse body types in all of ball sports. Period. There is no disputing that.

Why would you in' cut if you wanted the added weight ? More mass=hitting the ball harder.

And wow, so fat!



I don't deny baseball players stand around. I say that evaluation of a sport's demands based on how much standing around there might be is re ed. I don't care whether or not if you get tired standing in the outfield. When it comes time to run 100 feet to catch a fly ball and then throw it in at over 90 mph, you naturally lack the athleticism in spades to do that, so denigrating the sport as lazy if you can't meet its athletic demands makes no sense to me. Why on something you're too to do?

You can cut and preserve most of your muscle. That's common knowledge. Cabrera just didn't deem it necessary because he could remain elite while eating twinkies so why put in the extra work.

That's such a dumb argument. Yeah no I lack the ability to play fatball at a professional level. I'm sure I could make plenty of those plays at an average joe, non-pro level though. Your double standard is funny too, because for example you like to call basketball easy because you can shoot a three in a gym by yourself. I don't see you going on about how difficult it would be to do that over Pat Beverly though.

You're probably 10-12 years younger than me, so I'm sure you are

What organized high school sports did you play? Soccer goalie?

Everything except fatball. Was better than you too, tbh.

[midnightpulp]

Baseball, where each batter must stand center stage four or five times a game, entailed too many stressful, potentially ego-deflating encounters. Basketball, before Larry Bird’s prime, still had the taint of the ghetto. But soccer represented something very different. It was a tabula rasa, a sport onto which a generation of parents could project their values. Quickly, soccer came to represent the fundamental tenets of yuppie parenting, the spirit of Sesame Street and Dr. Benjamin Spock. Unlike the other sports, it would foster self-esteem, minimize the pain of compe ion while still teaching life lessons.

"Minimize the pain of compe ion."



This was boomer white yuppie parents, though. The boomer Mexicans were tough as nails baseball coaches and fathers. The gots who couldn't handle the "ego deflation" went to soccer.

[FkLA]

Yeah sorry but no. The power in a golf swing comes from your lower body and being able to maintain the swing fundamentals after walking several miles is a part of the game. If it wasn’t they would let all of the players use golf carts.

Phil Mickelson for example in his earlier years choked away multiple majors because he was out of shape and started spraying his driver all over the place because of fatigue.

lol what a reach

They must practice their walking forms I bet. The announcers probably passionately narrate their walks and the fans go wild during them, huh? They're just ing walking, bruh. No shot clock, no opposition, no pressure.

[midnightpulp]

You can cut and preserve most of your muscle. That's common knowledge. Cabrera just didn't deem it necessary because he could remain elite while eating twinkies so why put in the extra work.

That's such a dumb argument. Yeah no I lack the ability to play fatball at a professional level. I'm sure I could make plenty of those plays at an average joe, non-pro level though. Your double standard is funny too, because for example you like to call basketball easy because you can shoot a three in a gym by yourself. I don't see you going on about how difficult it would be to do that over Pat Beverly though.



Everything except fatball. Was better than you too, tbh.

And why didn't you play baseball? Because it was the hardest sport. Also, the soccer and basketball seasons conflict, so no, you didn't play "all of them."

Fall

Football
Cheer (coed)
Cross Country (coed)
Volleyball (girls)
Girls Golf
Girls Tennis
Boys and Girls Water Polo

Winter

Wrestling (coed)
Boys and Girls Basketball
Cheer
Boys and Girl Soccer

Spring

Track (coed)
Baseball
Softball
Swimming & Diving (coed)
Boys Tennis
Boys Golf
Lacrosse (coed)
Badminton (coed)

Average HS letterman looks like this: Fall, football, Winter, Soccer or Basketball, Spring, Baseball or Track.

"All of them,"

[midnightpulp]

Oh, about cutting. The goal isn't muscle, it's weight. If you aspire to have a 250lb frame to play linebacker or need that bulk for some other reason, and can't build that frame with a 10ish body fat percentage, the mass has to come via fat. Ectomorphs have a lot of trouble building mass through muscle.

[FkLA]

And why didn't you play baseball? Because it was the hardest sport. Also, the soccer and basketball seasons conflict, so no, you didn't play "all of them."



Average HS letterman looks like this: Fall, football, Winter, Soccer or Basketball, Spring, Baseball or Track.

"All of them,"

"organized high school sports"

I was in high school 4 years. I didn't play fatball because it was never a big thing growing up. That's probably why it was also my worst sport. I never put in the hours that I put in for the others.

[FkLA]

It doesn't matter. Golfers have to walk. End of story. You're spinning like a in' top since it pains you to appreciate sports you find boring. And that's where your gripe is really centered. You have all the in' praise in the world for Usain Bolt, despite him never having run a mile, despite his sport having MUCH MORE standing around than baseball (i.e. run one heat, stand/sit around for 5 or 6 hours), and despite sprinting testing only one athletic trait.

I also think the gripe has a foundation in dad forcing you to play baseball. If he's a boomer Mexican, that age group loves baseball more than kick. First game, struck out every time. Dad told you to stick with it, it'll come. But the light jogging over at the soccer field where kids don't have to do much of anything to make contact with the ball was much more appealing. I'm not talking , either. Franklin Foer is an American soccer evangelist who did studies on the growth of youth soccer who found baseball was too humbling and frustrating for that age group.

lol no my jefe doesn't give a abou fatball

He was a hardass though. I vividly remember after my first middle school basketball game he asked me how many points I scored, I lied and said 10 even though I had like 6, and he was like "mmm that sucks".

[midnightpulp]

You can cut and preserve most of your muscle. That's common knowledge. Cabrera just didn't deem it necessary because he could remain elite while eating twinkies so why put in the extra work.

That's such a dumb argument. Yeah no I lack the ability to play fatball at a professional level. I'm sure I could make plenty of those plays at an average joe, non-pro level though. Your double standard is funny too, because for example you like to call basketball easy because you can shoot a three in a gym by yourself. I don't see you going on about how difficult it would be to do that over Pat Beverly though.



Everything except fatball. Was better than you too, tbh.

I can make 3s in open gym at a considerably higher success rate than I can make solid contact in an even 80mph cage. I can make mid range jumpers and layups at a much higher success rate than throw strikes. Both practice scenarios. I would have a better change of scoring on Patrick Beverly than I would of getting a base hit off Justin Verlander. Here's one of your super NFL athletes in the minor leagues:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=green-002sha

That's rookie ball. 6 levels away from the MLB. 0-39 with 37 strikeouts

"But I bet a fatball player can't do the footbawl stuff."

Mike Trout, Stanton, Aaron Judge, Aroldis Chapman could get a in' tackle in Division 3 football. Many MLB players were excellent football players, as well.

My main problem with you in this debate always goes back to you denigrating MLB athletes (or PGA tour athletes, or any athlete that doesn't play a sport which meets your arbitrary moving around criteria) as lazy inferior athletes, or the sport as a "game" on the level of darts. It makes no sense to on something you suck at and the heroes you have in other sports also suck at. There's been considerably more pro baseball failures finding success in the NBA or NFL than the other way around. So ting on baseball s even more on your favorite sports.

[apalisoc_9]

I can make 3s in open gym at a considerably higher success rate than I can make solid contact in an even 80mph cage. I can make mid range jumpers and layups at a much higher success rate than throw strikes. Both practice scenarios. I would have a better change of scoring on Patrick Beverly than I would of getting a base hit off Justin Verlander. Here's one of your super NFL athletes in the minor leagues:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=green-002sha

That's rookie ball. 6 levels away from the MLB. 0-39 with 37 strikeouts

"But I bet a fatball player can't do the footbawl stuff."

Mike Trout, Stanton, Aaron Judge, Aroldis Chapman could get a in' tackle in Division 3 football. Many MLB players were excellent football players, as well.

My main problem with you in this debate always goes back to you denigrating MLB athletes (or PGA tour athletes, or any athlete that doesn't play a sport which meets your arbitrary moving around criteria) as lazy inferior athletes, or the sport as a "game" on the level of darts. It makes no sense to on something you suck at and the heroes you have in other sports also suck at. There's been considerably more pro baseball failures finding success in the NBA or NFL than the other way around. So ting on baseball s even more on your favorite sports.

oh the irony.

What was this thread for again?

No lie. Ronaldo sucks at eating burgers.

He's only good at staying healthy and keeping a strict dietary lifestyle.

[midnightpulp]

"organized high school sports"

I was in high school 4 years. I didn't play fatball because it was never a big thing growing up. That's probably why it was also my worst sport. I never put in the hours that I put in for the others.

It's your worst sport because it's the hardest sport. You can deny baseball's difficulty relative to other sports all of you want, but when rugby players are making the NFL after 6 months of training and players like Dedmon make the league after never having seen a basketball until 18, while only about 50 percent of 1st round picks make the MLB and need 3 years in the minors at minimum in most cases, it says a lot.

[midnightpulp]

oh the irony.

What was this thread for again?

No lie. Ronaldo sucks at eating burgers.

He's only good at staying healthy and keeping a strict dietary lifestyle.

And being slower than half of MLB players

You can keep repeating the fatball thing, doesn't make it true.

[FkLA]

I can make 3s in open gym at a considerably higher success rate than I can make solid contact in an even 80mph cage. I can make mid range jumpers and layups at a much higher success rate than throw strikes. Both practice scenarios. I would have a better change of scoring on Patrick Beverly than I would of getting a base hit off Justin Verlander. Here's one of your super NFL athletes in the minor leagues:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=green-002sha

That's rookie ball. 6 levels away from the MLB. 0-39 with 37 strikeouts

"But I bet a fatball player can't do the footbawl stuff."

Mike Trout, Stanton, Aaron Judge, Aroldis Chapman could get a in' tackle in Division 3 football. Many MLB players were excellent football players, as well.

My main problem with you in this debate always goes back to you denigrating MLB athletes (or PGA tour athletes, or any athlete that doesn't play a sport which meets your arbitrary moving around criteria) as lazy inferior athletes, or the sport as a "game" on the level of darts. It makes no sense to on something you suck at and the heroes you have in other sports also suck at. There's been considerably more pro baseball failures finding success in the NBA or NFL than the other way around. So ting on baseball s even more on your favorite sports.

Not really an apples to apples comparison for the practice scenarios. Hitting 40mph fastballs is probably more like it, imo. And I doubt it with the Bev/Verlander thing. I'm pretty sure in both scenarios your chances would be 0%. I'm not talking when I say that either, they'd probably be 0% for me too.

I don't see how I denigrate MLF players by saying they're wasting their talent on such a lazy, stationary game. I'm not trying to say that it isn't a great feat when they pull off some of the they do, it's just that that talent is hidden away most of the game because the construct of fatball forces them to just stand around not doing most of the time.

[midnightpulp]

Not really an apples to apples comparison for the practice scenarios. Hitting 40mph fastballs is probably more like it, imo. And I doubt it with the Bev/Verlander thing. I'm pretty sure in both scenarios your chances would be 0%. I'm not talking when I say that either, they'd probably be 0% for me too.

I don't see how I denigrate MLF players by saying they're wasting their talent on such a lazy, stationary game. That's not to say that it isn't a great feat when they pull off some of the they do, it's just that that talent is hidden away most of the game because the construct of fatball forces them to just stand around not doing most of the time.

No in' major leaguer is going to practice hitting 40 mph. You're really reaching. Even the home run derby meatballs are thrown at about 70mph. You denigrate the players when you denigrate the game as lazy. Your logic also denigrates Usain Bolt. He's wasting his talents by running in straight line for 10 seconds. Imagine if he focused on decathlon where you test your full athletic range! Baseball tests more athletic traits than sprinting. They also stand around more than sprinters.

No, the talent isn't hidden away. Is running and jumping the only athletic feats you find interesting?

[FkLA]

No in' major leaguer is going to practice hitting 40 mph. You're really reaching. Even the home run derby meatballs are thrown at about 70mph. You denigrate the players when you denigrate the game as lazy. Your logic also denigrates Usain Bolt. He's wasting his talents by running in straight line for 10 seconds. Imagine if he focused on decathlon where you test your full athletic range! Baseball tests more athletic traits than sprinting. They also stand around more than sprinters.

Stop bringing up Bolt. Sprinting itself is short in duration, but it's balls to the wall the whole time. There's nothing lazy about that. Fatball OTOH, for non-pitchers is balls to the wall what...like .1% of the time?

No, the talent isn't hidden away. Is running and jumping the only athletic feats you find interesting?

Please enlighten me and tell me what talent is on full display while fatball players are standing around?

[midnightpulp]

Stop bringing up Bolt. Sprinting itself is short in duration, but it's balls to the wall the whole time. There's nothing lazy about that. Fatball OTOH, for non-pitchers is balls to the wall what...like .1% of the time?

You don't like me bringing up Bolt because it defeats your argument. At a track meet, Bolt will take center stage for a couple races (20 seconds total). MLB player takes center stage at the plate 4 to 5 times per game, where it's "balls to wall" swinging (where tearing labrums, obliques, breaking hand bones, isn't uncommon). After an MLB player does his "balls to the wall" performance, he still has to play the field where there might be more balls to wall effort to perform in running, throwing, jumping etc. Bolt does 2 balls to the wall efforts and sits around doing nothing the rest of the time. Yet, 100m sprint isn't "lazy" and baseball is. Okay .

Please enlighten me and tell me what talent is on full display while fatball players are standing around?

Do you watch every sport like a goal sport where you need to see total team movement? Again, baseball player gets 4 to 5 abs, during his matchup with a pitcher his and the pitcher's talents are on full display, so even if I don't get to see Byron Buxton rob 10 homers in a game (I take it this is the kind of frequency you'd demand), I get to see how he maneuvers at the plate, guaranteed. Baseball is a mixture of individual and team sports. On a per event basis in the batter/pitcher matchup, I get to see 160 pitches per team. That's a lot of "talent on display" on both sides (the pitcher throwing them, the batters reacting to them). You just reduce athletic feats down to running and jumping. And you likely watch baseball tuning out everything until there's a ball in play where you can see some "action."

That's why your gripe is centered around what you find entertaining. Just don't confuse your entertainment preferences with talent display. Your argument in a nuts :

- MLB players are wasting their talent when they could be playing a sport like football or basketball where they could be running and jumping much, much more per game.

- FKLA's definition of a sport that allows flourishing of talent is how much said sport allows the players to run and jump.

- Usain Bolt, a great natural athlete, runs for 20 seconds and then calls it a day.

- Per FKLA's definition, 100m sprinting doesn't allow for much talent flourishing. Little running, no jumping, no throwing, no lateral movement. Just simple head down running in a straight line. We can lament what if Bolt used his talents to pursue football or basketball where he could run, jump, cut at a much greater frequency, showing off his gifts in a much more interesting context. World's fastest man over 100m isn't really all that interesting. Proven by how the world tunes out sprinting until the Olympics. It's basically, win genetic lottery the sport.

- But the 100m sprint isn't "lazy," but the sport which does allow for most players to express his full running, jumping, throwing, and core strength abilities, while being very skill intensive, is

Intellectual consistency on your part would demand you say Usain Bolt is wasting his talents. Or even a football wide receiver vis a vis basketball player, as the latter allows more expression on a per minute basis of running and jumping. As far as wasting talents, I think I'm glad Jordan Hicks chose baseball to throw 100mph sinkers (never seen a pitch quite like this, a sinker with 2 seam bend) over something like basketball where he'd be just another player chucking 23 footers like all the rest of them. https://streamable.com/u7ncv

[midnightpulp]

double post

[DAF86]

midnightpulp would literally throw up within the first two minutes if he ever had to play a real soccer Match.

Too bad I don't live close to him so I could someday invite him to play a friendly, tbh.

[midnightpulp]

midnightpulp would literally throw up within the first two minutes if he ever had to play a real soccer Match.

Too bad I don't live close to him so I could someday invite him to play a friendly, tbh.

A year of cardio, I could handle 6 miles in 2 hours without being spent. Could I handle it as well as a dedicated soccer player? No. Maybe when I was in my athletic prime, where we played full court basketball in 100 degree heat for hours (basketball has about the same per minute movement stats) during the summer. Football week is also a lot more grueling than anything you face in a soccer match (if FkLA really played football, he'd agree). I did that. Didn't throw up. You guys sell soccer as a marathon. A marathon runner covers over three times the distance in 2ish hours.

Sorry, dude. People all over the world are running 5 to 7 miles in 2hours for their bi-weekly to even daily jogs. I'm not saying it isn't somewhat tiring, just not this extraordinary endurance feat.

I'd love to live closer to you. I don't on soccer, aside from it being a badly designed sport with overrated athletes compared to other big sports. You think baseball is easy because you don't get tired or whatever, but it would be funny to see you flail with re looking swings at 50mph pitches, throw the ball straight into the dirt, and take a ball to the face trying to a catch a fly. I get you're talking just about athletic demands and not skill, but you lack the natural upper body athleticism to throw a ball +70mph.

So we both equally look like on the athletic front (though, I could train my stamina up. Arm strength is pretty much an innate trait).