Why I think Climate Change Denial is little more than pseudoscience. - Part 1

[Chris]

Grrrrrr! Arghhhh!

[spurraider21]

^Chris doing the troll thing

[spurraider21]

kerry wasn't testifying as a scientific authority. he didnt claim to be s scientist. it wasn't a science committee hearing. its the oversight committee, and the hearing was on the need for leadership to combat climate change.

he's absolutely right that the guy wasn't having a serious conversation.

its also moronic to call political science "pseudoscience." its certainly not natural science, and there is a distinction between natural sciences and social sciences. social science degrees are typically bachelors in arts, not bachelors in science. its not as though the academic community conflates them. but this idiot congressman is trying to win political points on stupid semantics.

i'm sure he has DMC's vote

[boutons_deux]

Massie: Secretary Kerry, I want to read part of your statement back to you. “Instead of convening a kangaroo court, the president might want to talk with the educated adults he once trusted to fill his top national security positions.”

It sounds like you’re questioning the credentials of the president’s advisers currently, but I don’t think we should question your
credentials today.

Isn’t it true you have a science degree from Yale?

Kerry: A bachelor of arts degree.

Massie: Is it a political science degree?

Kerry: Yes, political science.

Massie: So how do you get a bachelor of arts in a science [degree]? Holy , KY Jelly for brains

Kerry: Well, it’s liberal arts education and degree, it’s a bachelor.

Massie: OK, so it’s not really science.

So I think it’s somewhat appropriate that

someone with a pseudoscience degree

is here pushing pseudoscience in front of our committee today.

Kerry: Are you serious? This is really, seriously happening here?

Massie: You know what? It is serious, you’re calling the president’s Cabinet a kangaroo court, is that serious?

Kerry: I’m not calling his Cabinet a kangaroo court, I’m calling this committee he’s putting together a kangaroo committee.

Massie: Are you saying he doesn’t have educated adults there now?

Kerry: I don’t know who he it yet, because it’s secret.

Massie, for his part, has a degree from MIT,

which, not that anyone really needed convincing, should prove that idiots are everywhere.

https://splinternews.com/here-is-possibly-the-stupidest-thing-a-member-of-congre-1833947736?utm_source=splinter_newsletter&utm_medi um=email&utm_campaign=2019-04-10

y'all in red and slave states elect these cretins, over and over, y'all in cretinous, too

[boutons_deux]

" This is really, seriously happening here?"

[koriwhat]

" This is really, seriously happening here?"

one of the first movies i ever pirated back in my teens...

[Chris]

[Chris]

[boutons_deux]

Landmark UN Report to Show 'Transformational Change' Urgently Needed Save Humanity and Natural World FromNightmarish Future

"Anyone who denies that we are in a human-induced extinction crisis is either lying or not paying attention."


Signaling the need for urgent "transformative changes" in order to save humanity and the natural world,

the 1,800-page report and a separate executive summary will represent the first time the UN has published such an exhaustive report on the state of Nature.

As Agence France-Presse, which obtained a draft of the conclusions, reports Saturday that

"The bombs Summary for Policymakers... makes for very grim reading."

According to AFP's review of the draft report and the summary, the do ents

"paint a picture of widespread destruction wrought by man, some of it irreparable."

human destruction of natural systems has put the world on a path towards

a mass extinction that could wipe out over a million species.

the "number of people in the world and

their growing ability to consume"

are the two biggest indirect drivers of biodiversity loss and the climate crisis.

According to AFP:

The new report details how humans are

undermining Earth's capacity to produce fresh water, clean air and productive soil, to name a few "ecosystem services."

The direct causes of Nature's degradation—in order of importance—are

shrinking habitat and land-use change,

hunting for food or illicit trade in body parts,

climate change,

pollution, and

predatory or disease-carrying alien species such as rats, mosquitoes and snakes.

"The evidence is incontestable,"

"Our destruction of biodiversity and ecosystem services has reached levels that threaten our well-being at least as much as human-induced climate change."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/05/04/landmark-un-report-show-transformational-change-urgently-needed-save-humanity-and?cd-origin=rss

Capitalism is incompatible with life

[a777pilot]

Humans Have Caused the Most Dramatic Climate Change in 3 Million Years

The level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere today is likely higher than it has been anytime in the past 3 million years. This rise in the level of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, could bring temperatures not seen over that entire timespan

examine the changes in climate during the Quaternary period, which started around 2.59 million years ago and continues into today. Over that period, Earth has undergone a number of changes, but none so rapid as those seen today,

https://www.livescience.com/65148-human-climate-change-worse-3-million-years.html

It's those damn termites!

OK, just for arguments sake.....I will agree to your premise that man is a major, if not the biggest, contributor to greenhouse gases.

Now, so what?

Do you have a plan? What is that plan? I stand ready to read your plan to stop and/or reduce these greenhouse emissions.

I'm not trying to be an ass about this, I truly want to know what you think we, humans, ought to do about this?

Well?

[a777pilot]

Landmark UN Report to Show 'Transformational Change' Urgently Needed Save Humanity and Natural World FromNightmarish Future

"Anyone who denies that we are in a human-induced extinction crisis is either lying or not paying attention."


Signaling the need for urgent "transformative changes" in order to save humanity and the natural world,

the 1,800-page report and a separate executive summary will represent the first time the UN has published such an exhaustive report on the state of Nature.

As Agence France-Presse, which obtained a draft of the conclusions, reports Saturday that

"The bombs Summary for Policymakers... makes for very grim reading."

According to AFP's review of the draft report and the summary, the do ents

"paint a picture of widespread destruction wrought by man, some of it irreparable."

human destruction of natural systems has put the world on a path towards

a mass extinction that could wipe out over a million species.

the "number of people in the world and

their growing ability to consume"

are the two biggest indirect drivers of biodiversity loss and the climate crisis.

According to AFP:

The new report details how humans are

undermining Earth's capacity to produce fresh water, clean air and productive soil, to name a few "ecosystem services."

The direct causes of Nature's degradation—in order of importance—are

shrinking habitat and land-use change,

hunting for food or illicit trade in body parts,

climate change,

pollution, and

predatory or disease-carrying alien species such as rats, mosquitoes and snakes.

"The evidence is incontestable,"

"Our destruction of biodiversity and ecosystem services has reached levels that threaten our well-being at least as much as human-induced climate change."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/05/04/landmark-un-report-show-transformational-change-urgently-needed-save-humanity-and?cd-origin=rss

Capitalism is incompatible with life

Read that last line.

That says it all. Climate change is not about science. It is ALL about politics.

[spurraider21]

Read that last line.

That says it all. Climate change is not about science. It is ALL about politics.

For the deniers it can’t be about science

[boutons_deux]

Humanity is ed by Capitalists and there is NO EXIT from AGW, anthropocene climate catastrophe.

[a777pilot]

For the deniers it can’t be about science

Y'all know that works both ways. Why would a person that believes in man made climate change.....read warming.....say that capitalism is incompatible with life if it were not all about politics.

I personally do not believe that the current climate we are in is mainly a result actions by mankind.

For argument's sake I am willing to agree with the global warming crowd and say it is mostly, to all man's fault. Now, with that stipulation, what do y'all want to do about it? What is your best case plan to reverse/end this climate change by man?

I actually have a plan that is doable, available and is both cheap and safe.

I await your plan.

[a777pilot]

Humanity is ed by Capitalists and there is NO EXIT from AGW, anthropocene climate catastrophe.

In my plan it is the capitalist enlightened self interest that will save mankind. In my plan there will be greatly reduced carbon emissions, there will be an increase in the standard of living, an increase in life expectancy. And an increase in the world population.

I'm still waiting for you to say what your plan is.

[spurraider21]

Y'all know that works both ways. Why would a person that believes in man made climate change.....read warming.....say that capitalism is incompatible with life if it were not all about politics.

I personally do not believe that the current climate we are in is mainly a result actions by mankind.

For argument's sake I am willing to agree with the global warming crowd and say it is mostly, to all man's fault. Now, with that stipulation, what do y'all want to do about it? What is your best case plan to reverse/end this climate change by man?

I actually have a plan that is doable, available and is both cheap and safe.

I await your plan.

what needs to be done is a reduction to our carbon footprint. that is the scientific analysis.

beyond that, the solutions are of course political. but the underlying science is apolitical. and sure, i would say that trusting that private corporations will act outside their own self interest to reduce emissions would be a fools errand

[Pavlov]

In my plan it is the capitalist enlightened self interest that will save mankind. In my plan there will be greatly reduced carbon emissions, there will be an increase in the standard of living, an increase in life expectancy. And an increase in the world population.

I'm still waiting for you to say what your plan is.

You didn't post a plan, you posted the results you hope to get from a plan you didn't post.

[a777pilot]

what needs to be done is a reduction to our carbon footprint. that is the scientific analysis.

beyond that, the solutions are of course political. but the underlying science is apolitical. and sure, i would say that trusting that private corporations will act outside their own self interest to reduce emissions would be a fools errand

I agree. The solution should be based in science, yet all we hear is political .

"...what needs to be done is a reduction to our carbon footprint."

Well, and simply stated. I could not agree more.

Now, deferring to parts of my plan, first thing I would do is end and get rid of all solar panels, windmills and battery operated vehicles. The manufacturing, transportation, insulation and maintenance of these items are all a negative return on carbon use reduction, i.e., it takes more carbon than it saves.

Next, I would manufacture and install a massive number of nuclear power plants. Tens of thousand of them.

There, that ought to give y'all to think about.

I am still waiting for any ideas on how to reduce our dependance on carbon based fuels from someone else.

[Pavlov]

I agree. The solution should be based in science, yet all we hear is political .

"...what needs to be done is a reduction to our carbon footprint."

Well, and simply stated. I could not agree more.

Now, deferring to parts of my plan, first thing I would do is end and get rid of all solar panels, windmills and battery operated vehicles. The manufacturing, transportation, insulation and maintenance of these items are all a negative return on carbon use reduction, i.e., it takes more carbon than it saves.

Next, I would manufacture and install a massive number of nuclear power plants. Tens of thousand of them.

There, that ought to give y'all to think about.

I am still waiting for any ideas on how to reduce our dependance on carbon based fuels from someone else.

Where are you going to store all the nuclear waste?

[a777pilot]

You didn't post a plan, you posted the results you hope to get from a plan you didn't post.

I know I did not post my plan. I am waiting for others to post theirs first. I have, on occasion, posted parts of my plan for the sake of getting a debate going.......so far, no joy.

If you have a plan, let's hear it.

[a777pilot]

Where are you going to store all the nuclear waste?

Where it is being stored now. However, my nuclear waste will only have to be stored for 300 to 400 years. Yes, that is a long time but way shorter than the current waste that needs to be be hidden away from humans for up to 50,000 years.

Good start.

Next question, please.

[Pavlov]

Where it is being stored now.

And where is it being stored now?

However, my nuclear waste will only have to be stored for 300 to 400 years.

How is your nuclear waste different from current nuclear waste?

[spurraider21]

I agree. The solution should be based in science, yet all we hear is political .

"...what needs to be done is a reduction to our carbon footprint."

Well, and simply stated. I could not agree more.

Now, deferring to parts of my plan, first thing I would do is end and get rid of all solar panels, windmills and battery operated vehicles. The manufacturing, transportation, insulation and maintenance of these items are all a negative return on carbon use reduction, i.e., it takes more carbon than it saves.

Next, I would manufacture and install a massive number of nuclear power plants. Tens of thousand of them.

There, that ought to give y'all to think about.

I am still waiting for any ideas on how to reduce our dependance on carbon based fuels from someone else.

scientists cant pass legislation. the solution has to be political unless you believe people and corporations will spontaneously step up and shrink their carbon footprints

[boutons_deux]

" the solution has to be political"

and the politicians are owned by Capitalists who now make ALL the laws, regs, rules, so there simply cannot be a solution by politicians, even if there were a technical/scientific solution (there ain't)

too late to reduce carbon footprint. The planet is in or rapidly approaching the tipping point of no return.

As soon as arctic tundra releases gigatons of methane, already in progress, GAMEOVER

[a777pilot]

And where is it being stored now?

How is your nuclear waste different from current nuclear waste?

Currently, nuclear waste is being stored in vast under ground, read, in mountains, in the West.

"My" nuclear waste is not a by product of uranium.

You made an incorrect assumption.