Bertans unhappy with role

[FkLA]

1) Could have been something lost in translation. It reads as if he was talking in hypotheticals so I'm not sure it's fair to say he's unhappy with his role.

It is. Seems like they asked him about money and his next contract, and his response was that he values playing time over money. That he'd give up a couple million if it meant more minutes.

You can tell who did and didn't click on the link (not talking about you) based on the replies.

[rjv]

Here's an idea Davis: stop making your best Bonner impression, play better and you get more minutes! Funny how that works, huh?

[timvp]

It is. Seems like they asked him about money and his next contract, and his response was that he values playing time over money. That he'd give up a couple million if it meant more minutes.

You can tell who did and didn't click on the link (not talking about you) based on the replies.

https://www.sportazinas.com/bertans-...peletu-vairak/

Yeah, the Google translate version of the original article doesn't make it sound at all like he's unhappy with his role. I mean, maybe he is ... but he's more talking about he won't necessarily sign with the team that pays him the most amount of money. And that's basically what every free agent in NBA history has said, tbh.

[rjv]

expiring contract.

[MoSpur02]

Meh. If they trade him I won't be mad. If he stays I won't be mad. I doubt he wants to be traded. Pop is fair and will probably talk with Bertans about his role before or if anything is done such as a trade.

[vavvi]

1) Could have been something lost in translation. It reads as if he was talking in hypotheticals so I'm not sure it's fair to say he's unhappy with his role.

2) Nuggets were a bad matchup for him. Denver is one of the few teams left who play two physical bigs for a majority of the minutes. Bertans got bodied by their bigs to an embarrassing degree. Bertans trying to deal with Millsap was particularly pathetic.

3) Spur Fan somehow transforming this into a Mills/Belinelli related issue are being purposefully dishonest. When Bertans couldn't handle Denver's muscle, Poeltl is the player who started getting more minutes. Gay probably also got a few more minutes and was forced to defend Millsap when Bertans went full-blown Bonner and forgot to compete with the playoffs underway. Mills and Belinelli didn't play any more minutes because Bertans was getting trucked.

4) Bertans appears to be an important part of next year's team. With shooting becoming even more of an issue with the return of Murray, Bertans will be needed to stretch the floor. He's not going to play big minutes but he will play important minutes, much like this past season.

5) Bertans doesn't work as a starter. That's been proven, unfortunately. Considering he's a bench player who can't really be played when there are two physical bigs on the court, that's going to limit his playing time.

6) I think there's probably a better than 50/50 chance that this coming season will be his last with the Spurs. Bertans will probably get offers for more than he is worth as a free agent. With teams all wanting stretch bigs, someone is likely to pry him away. Considering he's a bad fit next to Poeltl (combined they don't rebound well enough defensively) and Poeltl is less likely to be overpaid, Bertans would be the one to let go.

7) Heading into the draft and free agency, the Spurs had to already be planning on bringing in players to compete with Bertans for minutes. If there's any fire to this smoke, this should make that even more of a priority.

Just read the original. The le here is 100% misleading. There’s zero unhappiness or complaints towards SAS organization. He was just trying to look like a good person who doesn’t solely focus on money which is how you are supposed to play it here in Eastern Europe. No material for criticism tbh

As for your points agree on all except “Bertans can’t start”. While it didn’t work in the past in the current roster if we don’t acquire stretching SF/PF he seems like the best fit next to Murray-White-DDR-LMA

[timvp]

Just read the original. The le here is 100% misleading. There’s zero unhappiness or complaints towards SAS organization. He was just trying to look like a good person who doesn’t solely focus on money which is how you are supposed to play it here in Eastern Europe. No material for criticism tbh

Thanks

Yeah, even in the Google translation, criticism wouldn't fit in the context with the rest of the article. He even praises Pop in the article, as far as I can tell, tbh

[Hoops Czar]

1) Could have been something lost in translation. It reads as if he was talking in hypotheticals so I'm not sure it's fair to say he's unhappy with his role.

2) Nuggets were a bad matchup for him..

The NBA is a bad matchup for him.

[ZeusWillJudge]

A guy who "only cares about the money", and they .
A guy who only wants to play ball, and they .
You know what that makes 'em?

es.

[lmbebo]

He is awful. It's hard to understand the fanboyism. Bye bye Bertans.

He is a wanted commodity. I remember David Griffin gushing over him on the radio. Said he tried multiple times to trade for him when he was a GM at Cleveland.

[Degoat]

19th+ Davis for the 14th pick? Think Boston would say yes?

[tbdog]

19th+ Davis for the 14th pick? Think Boston would say yes?

Celtics can't absorb his contract

[bklynspursfan]

This, in particular, bugged me too.

There are posters with a particular agenda (hint: there are some in this thread) who want to turn everything into a Mills/Beli bash-fest and act like that taints everything else the Spurs did right this season.

We get it. Mills is overpaid. Beli is a bad defender. This isn't necessarily a hot take.

That being said, they were both net positives over the course of the season. The bench was productive, and they both played significant minutes which put the Spurs in the position to make the playoffs.

Mills was injured and put a terrible shooting display against Denver, and Beli did pretty much what you would expect: he had some good games, had some bad games, and got abused on defense. They didn't bring Marco in to stop anybody on the perimeter...they brought him in to shoot, and he did so at a .421+ clip before wilting in Game 7 (on three shots in limited minutes).

The agenda pushing has been taken to a new level now that Denver got ousted.

Truth

[Trill Clinton]

He is awful. It's hard to understand the fanboyism. Bye bye Bertans.

[Dex]

A guy who "only cares about the money", and they .
A guy who only wants to play ball, and they .
You know what that makes 'em?

es.

Shots fired...target hit.

[kobyz]

The NBA is a bad matchup for him.

Or euroleague where he sucked there too...

[Mugen]

"Agenda"....

Every criticism that you could lobby against Bertans in the DEN series could have easily applied to Beli and Patty...

Bertans isn't strictly a small ball 4, he's a wing as well and could have been used as such even when Poetl and Gay's minutes went up....(to be fair, Bertans had issues with guarding Beasley, but Beli was getting absolutely roasted)

Patty was getting lit the up by Monte Morris and Beli couldn't guard a soul on Denver's team but those guys were playing minutes over the likes of DWhite when it mattered most...

But Bertans isn't a Pop guy, like Beli and Patty. My issue is that his leash is unquestionably shorter than those two other losers regardless of his on court performance.

Again, none of those guys had a good series. Bertans was bad, it was a bad matchup and he wasn't good. But maybe he could have done better in Game 7 than the combined 5 points from Patty and Marco

It's fine, Davis will be a really good role player (like he was for the Spurs during the regular season, better than Patty/Beli tbh) that will hit some big shots for a team that won't bench him at the first sign of trouble.

[kobyz]

He's very clumsy player, soft and not talented enough to be a rotation player not on a treadmill team...

[slick'81]

"Agenda"....

Every criticism that you could lobby against Bertans in the DEN series could have easily applied to Beli and Patty...

Bertans isn't strictly a small ball 4, he's a wing as well and could have been used as such even when Poetl and Gay's minutes went up....(to be fair, Bertans had issues with guarding Beasley, but Beli was getting absolutely roasted)

Patty was getting lit the up by Monte Morris and Beli couldn't guard a soul on Denver's team but those guys were playing minutes over the likes of DWhite when it mattered most...

But Bertans isn't a Pop guy, like Beli and Patty. My issue is that his leash is unquestionably shorter than those two other losers regardless of his on court performance.

Again, none of those guys had a good series. Bertans was bad, it was a bad matchup and he wasn't good. But maybe he could have done better in Game 7 than the combined 5 points from Patty and Marco

It's fine, Davis will be a really good role player (like he was for the Spurs during the regular season, better than Patty/Beli tbh) that will hit some big shots for a team that won't bench him at the first sign of trouble.

obviously were just haters because patty and belli are great regular season players that show up when it matters most

[DPG21920]

Meh. If they trade him I won't be mad. If he stays I won't be mad. I doubt he wants to be traded. Pop is fair and will probably talk with Bertans about his role before or if anything is done such as a trade.

Agreed. I think Bertans is more valuable than Mills/Beli, but because of that he’s likely more valuable in a trade. If that is the case and it takes moving Bertans + SA pick(s) to move up and get a guy they love, I am 100% on board with that. Same with Forbes.

Players I like to have, but are not a true core member when it comes to landing the SF/PF of the future.

[Dex]

"Agenda"....

Every criticism that you could lobby against Bertans in the DEN series could have easily applied to Beli and Patty...

Bertans isn't strictly a small ball 4, he's a wing as well and could have been used as such even when Poetl and Gay's minutes went up....(to be fair, Bertans had issues with guarding Beasley, but Beli was getting absolutely roasted)

Patty was getting lit the up by Monte Morris and Beli couldn't guard a soul on Denver's team but those guys were playing minutes over the likes of DWhite when it mattered most...

But Bertans isn't a Pop guy, like Beli and Patty. My issue is that his leash is unquestionably shorter than those two other losers regardless of his on court performance.

Again, none of those guys had a good series. Bertans was bad, it was a bad matchup and he wasn't good. But maybe he could have done better in Game 7 than the combined 5 points from Patty and Marco

It's fine, Davis will be a really good role player (like he was for the Spurs during the regular season, better than Patty/Beli tbh) that will hit some big shots for a team that won't bench him at the first sign of trouble.

So you want Bertans out there going up against Harris and Barton, and getting switched on to Murray and Beasley at every possible opportunity? Good luck.

We all know that Mills and Beli are defensive negatives at this point. That's not what they are on the floor to do, and Pop still needed to find offense in the limited cards he had to play. Sometimes, you stick with your guns and suffer the consequences, and that's what happened. Bertans was obviously not ready for the moment...he had the worst overall FG%, the 2nd worst 3PT%, and wasn't doing jack on defense.

obviously were just haters because patty and belli are great regular season players that show up when it matters most

You are haters because you won't shut up about it. Find a new slant and quit acting like you are Nostradamus for stating the obvious.

[timvp]

Bertans isn't strictly a small ball 4, he's a wing as well

Myth. Bertans is mobile as a four but he can't consistently play defense as a wing. He defended Derrick Rose on that one possession where they needed a three-pointer with three seconds left and suddenly Spurs fans believe Bertans is Latvian Bruce Bowen.

Mobile four; can guard perimeter player on switches well; can't defend wings full-time. Obviously, the bar is low when comparing to Mills and Belinelli but Bertans can't defend point guards better than Mills can and he can't defend guards better than Belinelli can.

[R. DeMurre]

can't defend wings full-time.

Kind of applies to DeRozan too, tbh.

[slick'81]

You are haters because you won't shut up about it. Find a new slant and quit acting like you are Nostradamus for stating the obvious.

I refuse to sit back and watch the same scenario play out next season and it will as long as long as the wombat cuck is in pops back pocket

[TD 21]

Myth. Bertans is mobile as a four but he can't consistently play defense as a wing. He defended Derrick Rose on that one possession where they needed a three-pointer with three seconds left and suddenly Spurs fans believe Bertans is Latvian Bruce Bowen.

Mobile four; can guard perimeter player on switches well; can't defend wings full-time. Obviously, the bar is low when comparing to Mills and Belinelli but Bertans can't defend point guards better than Mills can and he can't defend guards better than Belinelli can.

You missed the point. Since Belinelli stood no chance of adequately defending Beasley anyway, Bertans was worth a shot. He at least offered greater size to hopefully bother him from the side/back when inevitably beat off the dribble. Plus, he offered significantly better shooting than Belinelli.

I know he had the biggest pre/post 3-point drop in the league and seemed done for mentally, but he was overdo and in a series that tight, one game or stretch within' a game where someone like him catches fire, can swing it.

It was definitely a bad matchup though and I wouldn't be shocked if he's traded or surprised if he's gone in a year. Modern teams will place a premium on him, unlike these senile fools.