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    At the very least this shows one thing we already knew... that Barr is a lying sycophant. He should be removed.
    impeach him. Pelosi has already called him a liar for his 4-page summary of Mueller

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    Trump s in hiding now
    they are waiting for the official “spin narrative” from the cult

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    Here's why we are " ed and un able."

    Mueller didn't say anything new today that wasn't already said in the report. The AG, the President, and the rest of this administration were able to take advantage of the lazy illiteracy of Congress, the media, and the voters, to spin a complete fabrication about what the report said. The media, even on the "liberal" side, has spent more time reporting on what various actors *said* about the report than what was said *in* the report for everyone to read.

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    READ: Robert Mueller's full remarks on the special counsel investigation

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/29/polit...rks/index.html

    So that was the Justice Department policy and those were the principles under which we operated. From them we concluded that we would not reach a determination -- one way or the other -- about whether the President committed a crime.

    mueller could not after 2 years with 18 democract laywers so therefore he did not commit a crime!

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    Relying on Nancy Pelosi now that Mueller told the pitchfork mob to go home

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    As damning as it gets from a guy who oozes professionalism.

    Holy balls.
    where in cnn https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/29/polit...rks/index.html full memory report say that!

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    Never said it was

    just pointing out that trump committed crimes - but mueller was not allowed to charge - but crimes were committed


    but mueller is trying to hide

    he says if congress makes him testify - he will basically just recite his report

    that

    we need to know;

    1) who is following the money - since you were not allowed?
    2) did rosenstein/barr stop your investigation?
    3) why did you not force trump to testify?
    4) trump jr?
    5) jareds back channel?

    a million others
    the 4440 pages is a lot if something was so more important then what he could not put in there then he was a ing idiot not to put it in there
    he has nothing more to say on the matter
    MOVE ON

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    nice catch

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    It seems like just yesterday that Trump and his campaign were colluding with Wikileaks to disseminate the hacked emails Russia had stolen. You stupid s are so far down the hole you forgot why you started digging in the first place.

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    It seems like just yesterday that Trump and his campaign were colluding with Wikileaks to disseminate the hacked emails Russia had stolen. You stupid s are so far down the hole you forgot why you started digging in the first place.
    "Russia, if you're listening ..."

    Dirt from Russians on Hillary? "I Love It"

    ... after Jr told Trash about the Russian meeting, Trash announced that something was coming.

    Trash fired der Vaterland Security team working on national cyber defense, and McC has shutdown all attempts to increase cybersecurity.

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    Mueller resigns, now as private citizen, he can speak

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    It seems like just yesterday that Trump and his campaign were colluding with Wikileaks to disseminate the hacked emails Russia had stolen. You stupid s are so far down the hole you forgot why you started digging in the first place.

    mueller today: russians attacked usa elections/stole do ents/ disseminated docs to harm a presidential candidate through wikileaks...

    trump: “russia , if you are listening”

    which part of that are you unclear about?

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    mueller today: russians attacked usa elections/stole do ents/ disseminated docs to harm a presidential candidate through wikileaks...

    trump: “russia , if you are listening”

    which part of that are you unclear about?
    And which part of attacking/stealing/disseminating did Trump/Trump campaign have a part in? Mueller said no part in any of it. In fact Mueller said no AmericanPERIOD.

    1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

    2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."

    3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."

    4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."

    5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

    6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or cons uted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."

    7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."

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    And which part of attacking/stealing/disseminating did Trump/Trump campaign have a part in? Mueller said no part in any of it. In fact Mueller said no AmericanPERIOD.

    1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

    2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."

    3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."

    4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."

    5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

    6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or cons uted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."

    7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."

    1) ”coordination” is not defined as a crime in federal criminal law

    2) doj policy - “forbid us from charging a sitting president”

    so after rosenstein tied muellers hands

    the us cons ution says congress must decide

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    TSA deflecting hard today.

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    Ultimately, 45 is going to need a white Bronco to get away in.

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    Basically he committed crimes but he can't be charged because he is the president. Impeachment is kind of a waste of time, but that is what Mueller just referred to, and I really don't see how they can't go through with proceedings now.
    Trump even said it in his tweet.



    Basically bragging he ed around but didn't get fully caught. (probably thanks to Russia and their spy ways)

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    And which part of attacking/stealing/disseminating did Trump/Trump campaign have a part in? Mueller said no part in any of it. In fact Mueller said no AmericanPERIOD.

    1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

    2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."

    3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."

    4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."

    5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

    6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or cons uted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."

    7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."
    You keep posting this bit you copied and pasted from someone else's work like it means something.

    When I argue with creationists who think they understand evolution, they do the exact same thing, i.e. make claims based on an incomplete or mistaken understanding of the topic. You have posted the equivalent of "if we evolved from monkeys whey are there still monkeys, CHECKMATE ATHEIST".

    The actual report gives some very specific and material limitations on what they did and didn't find, that you didn't post here. You won't bother reading the full report to understand it for the same reason that creationists or flat-earthers won't pick up books on science.

    You want to keep your delusions, and you know, deep down, that they are delusions. That is why you won't read it, and keep posting the comforting words rather than do the actual work.

    You aren't posting the limits Mueller spelled out to his investigation. Why are you hiding those, TSA?

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    You keep posting this bit you copied and pasted from someone else's work like it means something.

    When I argue with creationists who think they understand evolution, they do the exact same thing, i.e. make claims based on an incomplete or mistaken understanding of the topic. You have posted the equivalent of "if we evolved from monkeys whey are there still monkeys, CHECKMATE ATHEIST".

    The actual report gives some very specific and material limitations on what they did and didn't find, that you didn't post here. You won't bother reading the full report to understand it for the same reason that creationists or flat-earthers won't pick up books on science.

    You want to keep your delusions, and you know, deep down, that they are delusions. That is why you won't read it, and keep posting the comforting words rather than do the actual work.

    You aren't posting the limits Mueller spelled out to his investigation. Why are you hiding those, TSA?
    The only delusion people here are the three dip s, yourself included, that still think the campaign conspired/coordinated/colluded with Russia. You’re too far down the hoax hole to ever recover.

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    1) ”coordination” is not defined as a crime in federal criminal law

    2) doj policy - “forbid us from charging a sitting president”

    so after rosenstein tied muellers hands

    the us cons ution says congress must decide
    Rosenstein didn't really tie Mueller's hands. Muellers mandate had to be limited to the confines of the law. Even within those limitations, what they found was still systemic and pervasive collusion. Well over a hundred different contacts of various levels/substance that they know about, including some rather telling datasharing and secret direct meetings. The ultimate problem is that they had to both find a specific law that was broken, and gather enough evidence to base charging decisions on.

    "collusion" is not a specific crime.

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    ‘Is it that bad?’

    Fox Business host stunned as Napolitano explains Mueller has evidence Trump committed a crime



    “Effectively what Bob Mueller said is

    we had evidence that he committed a crime

    but we couldn’t charge him because he’s the president of the United States,” Napolitano explained.

    “This is even stronger than the language in his report.

    This is also a parting shot at his soon-to-be former boss, the attorney general,

    because this statement is 180 degrees from the four-page statement that Bill Barr issued at the time he first saw the report.”


    “Is it that bad?” host Stuart Varney remarked.


    “I think so,” Napolitano replied.

    “Basically he’s saying the president can’t be indicted, otherwise we would have indicted him and

    we’re not going to charge him with a crime because there’s no forum in which for him to refute the charges,

    but we could not say that he didn’t commit a crime, fill in the blank, because we believe he did.”


    Napolitano also said that the evidence that Mueller provided was

    “remarkably similar” to the evidence used against Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/is-...m_campaign=263

    And still Pelosi "investigates" what a ing farce she is, epitomizing the spineless, gutless Dems, for decades, letting predatory, regressive, destructive Repugs up the country.



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    A Cons utional Scholar on the Purpose of Impeachment

    One of the essential things about impeachment is that it does not have to be based on an actual criminal violation, and

    it does not have to track the elements in a federal criminal statute or state criminal statute.

    It’s perfectly well within the power of Congress, in particular the House, to

    frame impeachment on the basis of things that are not themselves criminal.

    a criminal statute violation, like perjury, for example, could be a basis for impeachment,

    but

    you don’t need the technical criminal violation.

    A President lying to the public—that could be a basis for impeachment.

    Or a President trying to interfere with an investigation.

    Those things could be understood as abuse of power, and

    they don’t have to be criminal.

    The classic definition of impeachable offense would be a serious abuse of power or serious injury to the Republic.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/a-cons utional-scholar-on-the-purpose-of-impeachment

    And still Pelosi dithers. Maybe she's too old, not enough energy to go through with impeachment.


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    Rosenstein didn't really tie Mueller's hands. Muellers mandate had to be limited to the confines of the law. Even within those limitations, what they found was still systemic and pervasive collusion. Well over a hundred different contacts of various levels/substance that they know about, including some rather telling datasharing and secret direct meetings. The ultimate problem is that they had to both find a specific law that was broken, and gather enough evidence to base charging decisions on.

    "collusion" is not a specific crime.
    he did tie his hands;

    is trump $$ compromised by foreign govts?
    no trump interview to indict him for perjury
    no follow the money prosecution
    no counter-intel report

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