How much was Crabbe's salary? Could see Celtics offering 1 or 2 of its picks ...
Irrelevant for the Spurs because they can’t offer Boston the cap space they want. Crabbe was $18 mil and Brooklyn paid a premium, so perhaps Celtics would offer the 22nd pick, however knowing Ainge they’ll probably be demanding assets for the salary dump
I'd take Baynes as the 3rd big, but we don't have the cap space
Five-Thirty Big Board, with no international, and Darius Garland and Bazley lacking enough college games, sorted by Upside WAR
Rank/Player/Pos/Age/Scout Rank/Upside WAR/No.1 Comparable/No.2 Comparable
1 Zion Williamson PF 19 1 36.7 J. Okafor M. Bagley
2 Ja Morant PG 20 2 25.4 T. Burke J. Wall
3 Jarrett Culver SG 20 6 17.1 J. Forte H. Barnes
4 Jaxson Hayes C 19 9 15.8 Z. Collins D. Davis
5 RJ Barrett SG 19 3 15.4 C. Anthony D. Russell
6 Coby White SG 19 10 8.9 B. Knight C. Sexton
7 Brandon Clarke PF 23 12 8.0 D. Lee N. Collison
8 T. Horton-Tucker SF 19 21 8.0 T. Ariza G. Wallace
9 Tyler Herro SG 20 17 7.5 M. Beasley J. Lamb
10 Bol Bol C 20 13 7.1 S. Hawes H. Ellenson
11 Kevin Porter Jr. SG 19 14 6.3 X. Henry L. Walker
12 Cam Reddish SF 20 7 5.9 H. Barnes T. Young
13 Matisse Thybulle SF 22 28 5.9 D. Miller N. Powell
14 De’Andre Hunter PF 22 5 5.7 M. Morris A. Bennett
15 N. A.-Walker SG 21 23 5.6 S. Brown P. McCaw
16 Grant Williams PF 21 24 5.1 M. Sweetney T. Murphy
17 Chuma Okeke PF 21 41 4.8 O. Spellman J. Martin
18 Jontay Porter C 20 42 4.7 C. Wood S. Zimmerman
19 Ty Jerome SG 22 29 4.5 T. Bowers W. Ellington
20 Romeo Langford SF 20 11 4.5 A. Rivers D. DeRozan
21 Nassir Little SF 19 16 4.2 Q. Miller K. Oubre
22 PJ Washington PF 21 15 4.0 R. H.-Jefferson B. Portis
23 Shamorie Ponds PG 21 49 4.0 S. Mack J. Robinson
24 Tremont Waters PG 22 47 3.4 P. Jackson M. Banks
25 Dylan Windler SF 23 33 3.3 J. Kapono M. Bonner
26 Keldon Johnson SF 20 20 3.2 M. Beasley D. DeRozan
27 John Konchar SG 23 68 3.0 D. Wells M. Gansey
28 Charles Bassey C 19 51 2.6 T. Bryant J. Allen
29 Isaiah Roby PF 21 36 2.5 D. Brown J. Martin
30 Dedric Lawson PF 22 44 2.4 J. Green M. Muscala
31 Carsen Edwards PG 21 25 2.4 G. Diaz K. Martin
32 Luguentz Dort SG 20 27 2.3 M. Richardson A. Goodwin
33 Josh Reaves SG 22 81 2.3 I. Cousins J. Richardson
34 Bruno Fernando C 21 34 2.2 T. Bryant D. Sabonis
35 Daniel Gafford C 21 38 2.2 C. Taft R. Hendrix
36 Rui Hachimura PF 21 18 1.9 M. Haislip T. Warren
37 Nicolas Claxton C 20 40 1.7 S. Zimmerman S. Dalembert
38 Cameron Johnson PF 23 22 1.7 M. Bonner S. Novak
39 Devon Dotson PG 20 73 1.6 C. Joseph T. Green
40 A. Schofield SF 22 32 1.6 Q. Pondexter J. Harper
41 Jalen McDaniels PF 22 37 1.5 J. Martin B. Bentil
42 Q. Weatherspoon SG 23 57 1.5 D. Wells S. Thornwell
43 A.J. Lawson SG 19 86 1.4 L. Stephenson A. Goodwin
44 KZ Okpala SF 20 26 1.3 J. Johnson W. Chandler
45 Justin Robinson PG 22 52 1.3 Q. Cook D. Walton
46 Ky Bowman PG 21 85 1.2 B. Wright S. Mack
47 Louis King SF 20 35 1.2 D. Greene M. Williams
48 Terence Davis SG 22 79 1.1 M. Brooks B. Paul
49 Jaylen Nowell SG 20 92 1.0 S. Landesberg D. Washington
50 Donta Hall PF 22 97 1.0 J. Grant M. Estill
Five Thirty Carmelo Projection 2020-2020
Length of value under team control
Rank/Player/POS/Scout Rank/Upside WAR/Comparable no.1/Comparable no.2
1 Zion Williamson PF 19 1 29.5 J. Okafor M. Bagley
2 Jaxson Hayes C 19 9 14.1 Z. Collins D. Stone
3 T. Horton-Tucker SF 19 21 10.9 G. Wallace T. Ariza
4 Ja Morant PG 20 2 10.8 J. Farmar N. Calathes
5 Jontay Porter C 20 42 9.8 T. Lyles C. Wood
6 Charles Bassey C 19 51 9.6 C. Bosh D. Favors
7 Bol Bol C 20 13 8.5 G. Oden M. Beasley
8 Jarrett Culver SG 20 6 8.5 J. Forte K. C.-Pope
9 Tyler Herro SG 20 17 7.6 M. Beasley G. Trent
10 Shamorie Ponds PG 21 49 7.5 K. Walker J. Williams
11 RJ Barrett SG 19 3 7.4 R. Vaughn M. Fultz
12 Chuma Okeke PF 21 41 7.2 O. Spellman J. Richardson
13 Devon Dotson PG 20 73 7.0 T. Jones M. Conley
14 Tremont Waters PG 22 47 6.8 P. Jackson M. Banks
15 Coby White SG 19 10 6.7 B. Knight D. Rose
16 Kevin Porter Jr. SG 19 14 6.5 Z. LaVine J. Richmond
17 John Konchar SG 23 68 6.2 M. Gansey F. Jones
18 A.J. Lawson SG 19 86 6.1 A. Goodwin T. Brown
19 N. A.-Walker SG 21 23 5.7 D. Mitc S. Brown
20 Josh Reaves SG 22 81 5.6 J. Trepagnier J. Richardson
21 Grant Williams PF 21 24 5.3 M. Sweetney M. Bridges
22 Donta Hall PF 22 97 4.7 J. Augustine J. Bell
23 Ty Jerome SG 22 29 4.7 S. Weems T. Bowers
24 Daniel Gafford C 21 38 4.7 R. Williams J. Poeltl
25 Nassir Little SF 19 16 4.6 Q. Miller T. Harris
26 Jaylen Nowell SG 20 92 4.6 J. Forte J. Okogie
27 Matisse Thybulle SF 22 28 4.3 D. Miller J. Richardson
28 Ky Bowman PG 21 85 4.1 K. Walker J. Robinson
29 Bruno Fernando C 21 34 4.0 J. Poeltl D. Sabonis
30 Brandon Clarke PF 23 12 4.0 T. Booker P. M.-Bonsu
31 Jaylen Hands PG 20 93 4.0 M. Williams K. Satterfield
32 Cam Reddish SF 20 7 3.6 M. Richardson X. Henry
33 Keldon Johnson SF 20 20 3.6 D. DeRozan M. Beasley
34 Dedric Lawson PF 22 44 3.5 M. Muscala J. Green
35 Terence Davis SG 22 79 3.5 M. Brooks B. Paul
36 Nicolas Claxton C 20 40 3.5 R. Lopez A. Len
37 Romeo Langford SF 20 11 3.4 A. Rivers M. Williams
38 Dylan Windler SF 23 33 3.3 J. Kapono S. Battier
39 Luguentz Dort SG 20 27 3.3 A. Rivers M. Richardson
40 Isaiah Roby PF 21 36 3.2 T. Williams J. Gist
41 PJ Washington PF 21 15 2.9 J. Martin R. H.-Jefferson
42 Q. Weatherspoon SG 23 57 2.8 B. Hield D. Wells
43 Zach Norvell Jr. SG 22 77 2.7 W. Ellington J. Meeks
44 J. berland SG 22 94 2.6 J. Crawford M. Brooks
45 Carsen Edwards PG 21 25 2.6 B. Gordon G. Diaz
46 Justin Robinson PG 22 52 2.5 A. Holiday B. Stepp
47 Quentin Grimes SG 19 84 2.5 A. Bradley H. Diallo
48 Killian Tillie C 21 90 2.4 E. Murphy D. Brown
49 Jalen McDaniels PF 22 37 2.3 J. Gist J. Martin
50 DaQuan Jeffries SG 22 55 2.3 J. Cage R. Terry
those are like all pick 29s in my opinion, not worth 19
Maybe some due diligence in case the Pelicans trade up to #2 for Barrett. Then again, it's the Knicks so who ing knows.
Paschall is a reach at 29.
Wow, based on the Five Thirty Big Board and Five Thirty Carmelo projections this is poor draft class.
I really hope that they grab Okeke with 29. Samanic would be fine, and Paschall would be helpful, but Okeke is the guy to get.
Watch Spurs give up an asset to trade down 2 spots
I hope they won't, but something like Beli and 19 for Crowder and 23 could end up being a decent deal, especially if the Spurs want Samanic. Luka is most likely to be there at both spots, while a bunch of the Spurs' other potential targets could already be gone by 19. Memphis needs a two-guard so they may well want to hop up and grab one before Boston's two later picks. This could satisfy TheGreatYacht too by potentially hurting the Spurs on the court, and we all know that's important.Watch Spurs give up an asset to trade down 2 spots
Or are they talking about moving from 29 to 20-23 ?
That was what I gathered
Pretty sure that's what they're actually talking about. BM20 was making a joke. Certainly, if the team can move up somewhat painlessly, it makes sense to do so to lock in the guy they want. I'd really like for them to get in front of Brooklyn and GS.
Let's say it's player + 29 + whatever else for 20-23... they can't package the new 20-23 pick and the 19th pick to move up again right?
...and Philadelphia.
Sure. But I tend not to envy the Sixers' picks much. And they have no many needs that they likely aren't targeting the same guy as the Spurs anyway. Marks has shown to be pretty good at drafting so far, and GS seems like they could play the long game with Okeke. Actually, they already bought 41 from ATL, so I'm not sure what's going to happen with their first-rounder.
Sure they can. But likely they won't because they won't pull the trigger on your first trade until that pick comes up. If they traded say Bertans and 29 for Simmons and 24 right now, then they could trade 19 and 24 for 11. 12 or 13. It would just be a three-team trade like:
Spurs: 12 and Simmons.
Hornets: 19 and 24
Philadelphia: 29 and Bertans
But I don't think the Spurs can wait until 29 to do all that, because too much will have to already have happened to make it work. At least the part with the Sixers has to be done sight unseen.
That's what I'm guessing.
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