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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    For years the NBA has had guaranteed contracts with the implicit assumption that you play your contract out. But now seeing Anthony Davis, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard force their way out of teams while under contract it seems like a sucker's move to guarantee contracts. If you sign John Wall to supermax and he underperforms you're stuck with him but you have a franchise guy who is actually worth it and he can just force a trade to a big market. If contracts don't mean anything from the player's side then I expect the next CBA negotiations to be nasty with the owners deciding contracts shouldn't mean anything from their side either. I think Kawhi, Davis, and George have just killed off guaranteed contracts once this CBA expires, because they're sucker moves when they only bind bad contracts to your team. I see no way the owners don't opt out of the CBA in the summer of 2023 to get rid of guaranteed contracts now. NFL contracts are coming in the next CBA and I expect owners to fight tooth and nail for them and of course players to fight equally hard against them, so it wouldn't surprise me to see the 2023-24 season cancelled.

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    notthewordsofonewhokneels Thread's Avatar
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    WW3 would commissed if you tried taking that away.

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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    they'll make their own league in the future.

    who needs owners. work your own deal with the networks.

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    4-25-20 Will Hunting's Avatar
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    I don't see it. The teams are all fat and happy right now on the TV revenue. An owner like Clay Bennett in OKC is fine with George demanding a trade as long as he's getting a share of the TV revenue made off the team PG-13 is going to.

    What the small market owners should actually be pushing for is doing away with max contracts. There wouldn't be any super teams if the amount you could spend on a player wasn't capped, but the 2nd and 3rd tier players benefit way too much from max contracts so it'll never happen.

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    Board Man Comes Home Clipper Nation's Avatar
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    I don't see how removing max contracts does anything to stop superteams. Superstars already sacrifice money to build superteams in the current system, they'd just continue doing the same thing if you took away max contracts. Meanwhile, second-tier stars would end up hogging even more of their teams' cap space.

    Partially guaranteed contracts are the way to go. If players aren't willing to honor their contracts, they shouldn't still get to make their teams shoulder all the risk. Franchise tags are also a must. The NFL gets a lot of things wrong, but they're spot-on with contracts and player movement.
    Last edited by Clipper Nation; 07-07-2019 at 10:18 AM.

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    4-25-20 Will Hunting's Avatar
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    I don't see how removing max contracts does anything to stop superteams. Superstars already sacrifice money to build superteams in the current system, they'd just continue doing the same thing if you took away max contracts. Meanwhile, second-tier stars would end up hogging even more of their teams' cap space.

    Partially guaranteed contracts are the way to go. If players aren't willing to honor their contracts, they shouldn't still get to make their teams shoulder all the risk. Franchise tags are also a must. The NFL gets a lot of things wrong, but they're spot-on with contracts and player movement.
    They sacrifice a few million a year now and that can easily be made up with endorsements...it’s a different proposition when there’s no max contracts and you’re sacrificing $10+ million a year.

    Just look at the NFL. Outside of Brady (who let’s not kid ourselves only sacrifices money because he’s got a wife worth even more than he is), none of the elite QBs ever sacrifice any money in exchange for better teammates.

    The players would never go for franchise tags AND max contracts. Franchise tags are fair in the NFL because if you franchise tag the same player over and over again the salary that player gets becomes untenable. If there’s a max contract then nothing stops teams from franchise tagging the same player for 10 years straight.

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    Drive for Five! ambchang's Avatar
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    It's governor, you bunch of racists.

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    notthewordsofonewhokneels Thread's Avatar
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    It's governor, you bunch of racists.
    You owned Leonard. You lost Leonard.

    Florida

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    Drive for Five! ambchang's Avatar
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    You owned Leonard. You lost Leonard.

    Florida
    Governed.

    I don't understand why you kept repeating the same stuff that is clearly meaningless. What's your angle btw? I mean, the Lakers lost every single player one way or the other. it's not like Leonard is some face of the franchise like West or Magic, it's not like the Spurs ran him off like the Lakers ran off West or Magic, so what gives? If anything, your logic does more dirt to the Lakers than the Spurs.

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    notthewordsofonewhokneels Thread's Avatar
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    Governed.

    I don't understand why you kept repeating the same stuff that is clearly meaningless. What's your angle btw? I mean, the Lakers lost every single player one way or the other. it's not like Leonard is some face of the franchise like West or Magic, it's not like the Spurs ran him off like the Lakers ran off West or Magic, so what gives? If anything, your logic does more dirt to the Lakers than the Spurs.
    Simple. To grind on your asses.

    You owned Leonard. You lost Leonard.

    Leonard

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    Simple. To grind on your asses.

    You owned Leonard. You lost Leonard.

    Leonard
    But it is grinding your own ass. You just came up with something that the Lakers did worse, and more of, and earlier.

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    notthewordsofonewhokneels Thread's Avatar
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    But it is grinding your own ass. You just came up with something that the Lakers did worse, and more of, and earlier.
    You're dirty just like us.

    Duncan tank
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    CHARGE!!!!!!!!!

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    You're dirty just like us.

    Duncan tank
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    CHARGE!!!!!!!!!
    Old dog, old tricks. Admits his old tricks. Travis has the rifle, time to follow him out behind the shed.

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    they'll make their own league in the future.

    who needs owners. work your own deal with the networks.
    That would be almost impossible. I'm not a lawyer, but wouldn't every defecting player have to play out their contracts? Throw in sourcing large stadiums in proper markets because they'll be locked out of the major arenas leased to NBA teams, even making sure all players would jump to a new league with no recognition and have to take major payouts because networks fees ain't paying all the bills off the bat and that's if you find a network that would fund something so massive and bet against the NBA. Throw in everything else associated with running a major sports league, no matter how star studded the league is, it'd be nothing short of a statistical miracle if it succeeded.

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    they'll make their own league in the future.

    who needs owners. work your own deal with the networks.
    30 big egos vs let's say 110...

    Who can organize better?

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    For years the NBA has had guaranteed contracts with the implicit assumption that you play your contract out.
    If that was the case then organizations would not be allowed to trade their players.

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    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
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    They just need to monetarily penalize forced trades, out of the player's pocket. They can make it a sliding scale, where the penalty is higher closer to the start of the deal and dwindles down as it gets closer to the end. You would tack that amount as an extra exception for the team to use in the following offseason.

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    Andrew Dufresmed Millennial_Messiah's Avatar
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    For years the NBA has had guaranteed contracts with the implicit assumption that you play your contract out. But now seeing Anthony Davis, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard force their way out of teams while under contract it seems like a sucker's move to guarantee contracts. If you sign John Wall to supermax and he underperforms you're stuck with him but you have a franchise guy who is actually worth it and he can just force a trade to a big market. If contracts don't mean anything from the player's side then I expect the next CBA negotiations to be nasty with the owners deciding contracts shouldn't mean anything from their side either. I think Kawhi, Davis, and George have just killed off guaranteed contracts once this CBA expires, because they're sucker moves when they only bind bad contracts to your team. I see no way the owners don't opt out of the CBA in the summer of 2023 to get rid of guaranteed contracts now. NFL contracts are coming in the next CBA and I expect owners to fight tooth and nail for them and of course players to fight equally hard against them, so it wouldn't surprise me to see the 2023-24 season cancelled.
    Hopefully more than that, cancel the entire league tbh.


    Btw I agree with this post. Screw the commies who are always flamingly on the player's side of these debates no matter what. The owners should have fair treatment as well and as of now they don't, it's a player's league that is built to massively, MASSIVELY overpay poorly-educated athletes (many of which would otherwise be on the streets or in and out of jail) for doing their favorite thing in the world to do (who else can say that?), screw owners out of their fair share of the pie and most of all, screw fanbases left and right.

    It's chicken .

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    Drive for Five! ambchang's Avatar
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    You're dirty just like us.

    Duncan tank
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    CHARGE!!!!!!!!!
    Duncan tank was never investigated like the shaq tamper
    Florida does not concern me
    Leonard did you way more dirt than the spurs. We got a ring and you don’t.

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    notthewordsofonewhokneels Thread's Avatar
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    Duncan tank was never investigated like the shaq tamper
    Florida does not concern me
    Leonard did you way more dirt than the spurs. We got a ring and you don’t.
    Leonard was under his Spur's contract when he rang north of the border. That was your 6th NBA le he won. Your Spurs with Leonard beats Toronto with Leonard every day that ends in (y).

    y!!!!!!!!!

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    Governed.

    I don't understand why you kept repeating the same stuff that is clearly meaningless. What's your angle btw? I mean, the Lakers lost every single player one way or the other. it's not like Leonard is some face of the franchise like West or Magic, it's not like the Spurs ran him off like the Lakers ran off West or Magic, so what gives? If anything, your logic does more dirt to the Lakers than the Spurs.
    Phil ran off West and Jeannie obliged...
    Magic offed himself and him BTW... Great p' Ayer and business man but horrible in bball operations

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    notthewordsofonewhokneels Thread's Avatar
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    Phil ran off West and Jeannie obliged...
    Magic offed himself and him BTW... Great p' Ayer and business man but horrible in bball operations
    You get AIDs & see how you react, Killa.

    AIDs!!!!!!!!!

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    Hopefully more than that, cancel the entire league tbh.


    Btw I agree with this post. Screw the commies who are always flamingly on the player's side of these debates no matter what. The owners should have fair treatment as well and as of now they don't, it's a player's league that is built to massively, MASSIVELY overpay poorly-educated athletes (many of which would otherwise be on the streets or in and out of jail) for doing their favorite thing in the world to do (who else can say that?), screw owners out of their fair share of the pie and most of all, screw fanbases left and right.

    It's chicken .
    I would agree with you if dudes like Tyus Jones Middleton etc weren't getting above market deals by small market teams the owners/front office overpay scrubs but when stars wanna leave

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    Complete removal of guaranteed contracts would be too much in a sport where injury risks are simple not as high as in football.

    But I do suspect some kind of fightback is coming from the owners. The moves pulled by AD and George this year were probably a step too far for most of the owners.

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    PERPETUAL!!!!!!!!!

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