[Woj]Spurs have pulled offer to Marcus Morris and agreed to a deal with free agent Trey Lyles

[slick'81]

There's a non zero chance that Lyles does become a good player for the Spurs. Its not a high chance, but I can't fault them for using part of the MLE on that chance as nothing else was going to show up that was going to be greater.

Obviously spurs hope he can be a rotation piece

[BackHome]

Lyles sucks he is Errors 2.2

[slick'81]

klutch

1) got morris paid

2) got lyles paid because the spurs ended up with their in their hands and 9 mil of recently freed up MLE cash (how convenient, after leveraging them to trade bertans exactly to make that happen)

i can see it... dont believe it though

Yea i mean thats some chess moves tbh all just to screw the spurs overr for lebron and co

[DPG21920]

Sign nobody or sign the second best player on the market?

Yes unless you are 100% sure there will be no one bought out this season that could reasonably be better than Lyles. Keep all your money, don’t take on dead money (what if DeRozan opts out? LmA gets injured badly? Then next year cap space is meaningful)

[Marcus Bryant]

klutch

1) got morris paid

2) got lyles paid because the spurs ended up with their in their hands and 9 mil of recently freed up MLE cash (how convenient, after leveraging them to trade bertans exactly to make that happen)

i can see it... dont believe it though

So they would've signed Lyles earlier if the Knicks hadn't gone with Bullock first. Big deal.

[mo7888]

Yes unless you are 100% sure there will be no one bought out this season that could reasonably be better than Lyles. Keep all your money, don’t take on dead money (what if DeRozan opts out? LmA gets injured badly? Then next year cap space is meaningful)

I still don't see where give up any cap space next year. Tbe only report I've seen on salary is from Jabari and its 11 over 2 with the 2nd year non guaranteed. If theres a report to the contrary please point me to it

[MannyIsGod]

Yes unless you are 100% sure there will be no one bought out this season that could reasonably be better than Lyles. Keep all your money, don’t take on dead money (what if DeRozan opts out? LmA gets injured badly? Then next year cap space is meaningful)

There's no one worth signing next year so I don't see the dead money issue. Also, I don't agree with your 100% mark. Keeping the MLE open is in and of itself also a gamble as no one may come along. You have to weigh the odds of someone coming along that you 1) want to sign and fits the team and 2) wants to sign with you over other WC teams. Money is not likely to be a deciding factor there for a lot of ring chasers so I'm not sure the full MLE is moving the needle all that much over than having part of it left.

So whatever that chance is, you ahve to weight it against what the chance is that Lyles turns into a rotation player for you. I don't think either is very high.

[DPG21920]

I still don't see where give up any cap space next year. Tbe only report I've seen on salary is from Jabari and its 11 over 2 with the 2nd year non guaranteed. If theres a report to the contrary please point me to it

I dont need to point you to anything, Jabari already said 2nd year is PARTIALLY GUARANTEED. There is money on year 2 no matter what. Just dont know how much.

[cutewizard]

[mo7888]

I dont need to point you to anything, Jabari already said 2nd year is PARTIALLY GUARANTEED. There is money on year 2 no matter what. Just dont know how much.

Jabari tweeted the contract was 11 over 2 and didn't mention anything else. The first question was '2nd year guaranteed? '.... jabari responds... No

[Atl Spur]

Klutch isn’t the first or last. Quit being bitter dudes and act like you got some nuts in here! He said no so we move on; not sit around ing about Klutch or Morris. Bertans got punked all playoffs long and everyone outside of White was a damn traffic cone; if no one else will say it I will..... we got better this off season. Add another defensive three and we will be in business.

[cutewizard]

at least he can hit the three

[Budkin]

somewhere in SD Kawhi Leonard is having a big smile, one more proof for how much this place is a mess and PATFO lost it, hope nobody anymore is going to keep blaming Kawhi for wanting out of here!

Nope.

[FkLA]

Would've preferred if the Spurs just got super aggressive to find a trade for a true Morris replacement instead.

This signing just feels like it's a "welp we got dealt a bad hand, this is as good as we can do now".

[cutewizard]

[timvp]

My friend, I feel like I am taking crazy pills. I am not saying that it was some master plan in the works for a year or something. I am saying I think they knew about the Knicks issues

I mean, it's technically possible but I don't think Klutch knew Bullock would fail his physical before he took a physical.

Shady agency, as we all know. Not above collusion, as we all know. But: 1) They're only getting more powerful. 2) It's unlikely they orchestrated the whole thing to screw the Spurs.

It's fair to say they should have pressured Morris to stick to his verbal agreement ... but everyone already knows Klutch is cutthroat.

If SA truly thinks Lyles whom no one else evidently wanted is the best player on the market or even comparable to Morris then that is an issue by itself. Sure, if you want to get technical and call it a boycott fine. But there is nothing wrong with boycotting a player/agency in this instance when it’s not a good player

I'm all for being weary of Klutch (they'd be dumb not to be) but when you want a stretch forward and there's only one on the market worth more than a minimum contract, that's an annoyingly impossible situation. Either boycott and re-sign Cunningham or swallow your pride and ink the one stretch forward still up for grabs.

Whole situation sucks, I agree. But I don't think boycotting Klutch is a good short-term or long-term answer, IMO.

[Mr. Body]

at least he can hit the three

Yeah. It just takes four hoists you make each one.

[DPG21920]

There's no one worth signing next year so I don't see the dead money issue. Also, I don't agree with your 100% mark. Keeping the MLE open is in and of itself also a gamble as no one may come along. You have to weigh the odds of someone coming along that you 1) want to sign and fits the team and 2) wants to sign with you over other WC teams. Money is not likely to be a deciding factor there for a lot of ring chasers so I'm not sure the full MLE is moving the needle all that much over than having part of it left.

So whatever that chance is, you ahve to weight it against what the chance is that Lyles turns into a rotation player for you. I don't think either is very high.

Hey, if SA really like Lyles then so be it. Hopefully he makes the leap and I am dead wrong. But regardless, the dead money does matter. As I said, what if LMA gets injured badly and now SA should waive him and get clear of 75% of his salary? What if DeRozan opts out after no extension is offered? Then it starts to matter and that is not a stretch at all.

Even if it means “losing” out I think it’s a bad PR move to sign a Klutch player like this. It would be one thing if it was a legit starter and clear cut improvement. Fine, do business with the devil if you HAVE to. For Murray, you HAVE to. For quality players like Bron or Draymond, you HAVE to.

For Lyles? The team would not be any worse off without Lyles, might not be better but wont be worse off. Maybe I am old fashioned but you can’t just let people dump on you for no reason - would be one thing too if Klutch had some squeaky clean reputation but they don’t. Them even taking the Knicks call after making SA Trade Bertans is beyond appalling

[Russ]

His highlight reel makes me feel better than than that Morris guy.

[DPG21920]

Jabari tweeted the contract was 11 over 2 and didn't mention anything else. The first question was '2nd year guaranteed? '.... jabari responds... No

Look further its in this thread tbh

[cutewizard]

[slick'81]

Would've preferred if the Spurs just got super aggressive to find a trade for a true Morris replacement instead.

This signing just feels like it's a "welp we got dealt a bad hand, this is as good as we can do now".

thats exactly what it is

[spurs10]

If SA truly thinks Lyles whom no one else evidently wanted is the best player on the market or even comparable to Morris then that is an issue by itself. Sure, if you want to get technical and call it a boycott fine. But there is nothing wrong with boycotting a player/agency in this instance when it’s not a good player and where there is more than enough shield to where it couldn’t even be argued as a boycott with a simple lie/tall tale.

I understand Klutch is here to stay and I would deal with them if it was for a difference maker. But I’m not overpaying one of their clients who sucks at basketball no matter what and especially after this bull .

I'd like to think the Spurs might think last year's slump was an anomaly. The year before his #'s looked very comparable to Morris' perhaps better. Now I'm just going by the stats timvp posted and know nothing bout him.

[slick'81]

Finally! All is right in the world

[MannyIsGod]

Hey, if SA really like Lyles then so be it. Hopefully he makes the leap and I am dead wrong. But regardless, the dead money does matter. As I said, what if LMA gets injured badly and now SA should waive him and get clear of 75% of his salary? What if DeRozan opts out after no extension is offered? Then it starts to matter and that is not a stretch at all.

Even if it means “losing” out I think it’s a bad PR move to sign a Klutch player like this. It would be one thing if it was a legit starter and clear cut improvement. Fine, do business with the devil if you HAVE to. For Murray, you HAVE to. For quality players like Bron or Draymond, you HAVE to.

For Lyles? The team would not be any worse off without Lyles, might not be better but wont be worse off. Maybe I am old fashioned but you can’t just let people dump on you for no reason - would be one thing too if Klutch had some squeaky clean reputation but they don’t. Them even taking the Knicks call after making SA Trade Bertans is beyond appalling

I don't think you hae to be super high on Lyles and still have signing him be the right move. If LMA gets injured we're just ed. Thats pretty much the bottom line. Well unless the Small 3 take a big leap this year.

I don't know. I don't think the signing is any worse than keeping the MLE. I don't think its any better, either. Its pretty ing Meh. Hopefully Lyles proves us wrong.