[Woj]Spurs have pulled offer to Marcus Morris and agreed to a deal with free agent Trey Lyles

[Marcus Bryant]

Primary way the Spurs improve is through the development of Murray, White, and Walker. Naturally all 3 are Spur draft picks. Morris was the obvious free agent target and they had an agreement before they didn't. Are they supposed to sue him now? Dump Murray for nothing to get back at his agent because that'll really show them who's boss? As for Lyles, meh. If you're worked up about Trey Lyles, close the laptop. You need to be done for the day.

[Robz4000]

, can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather have Cunningham back than Lyles. Especially if it's for the minimum vs the MLE (whole or partial).

[DPG21920]

Would've preferred if the Spurs just got super aggressive to find a trade for a true Morris replacement instead.

This signing just feels like it's a "welp we got dealt a bad hand, this is as good as we can do now".

Exactly. People acting like signing Lyles was the only thing they could do. Not giving up youth or picks when you got Morris made sense. They were able to really improve the team without needing to be too aggressive via trade.

But once they lost Bertans and Morris? The option was not overpay a bad player; it was fire up the aggression and start making trades for a Morris-like player you know raises the ceiling.

Not just “aw shucks” it. I, even with Morris signed, wanted SA to push and make moves so it’s not just a reaction to this. The Lyles thing was just a bad move all around. It can be salvaged if SA pulls off a legit trade which they need to be heavily pursuing (and I think they are, but I have lost confidence with this Lyles move).

[cutewizard]

we've got ourselves a 6-10 bomber! hehehe

[mexicanjunior]

Lyles is trash and this is a lottery team...

[Marcus Bryant]

Would've preferred if the Spurs just got super aggressive to find a trade for a true Morris replacement instead.

This signing just feels like it's a "welp we got dealt a bad hand, this is as good as we can do now".

Does this preclude any trade(s)?

[DPG21920]

I don't think you hae to be super high on Lyles and still have signing him be the right move. If LMA gets injured we're just ed. Thats pretty much the bottom line. Well unless the Small 3 take a big leap this year.

I don't know. I don't think the signing is any worse than keeping the MLE. I don't think its any better, either. Its pretty ing Meh. Hopefully Lyles proves us wrong.

No I get that; cant control everything this year. Was talking about why being so cavalier like SA has with dead money is not something to just ignore. If Lma gets injured this year we are screwed this year, but no reason to even put anything on the books for a non-difference maker past one year. Just no excuse IMO even if it’s not a “big” deal.

[slick'81]

, can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather have Cunningham back than Lyles. Especially if it's for the minimum vs the MLE (whole or partial).

Dont you dare rob

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

I mean, it's technically possible but I don't think Klutch knew Bullock would fail his physical b noefore he took a physical.

Shady agency, as we all know. Not above collusion, as we all know. But: 1) They're only getting more powerful. 2) It's unlikely they orchestrated the whole thing to screw the Spurs.

It's fair to say they should have pressured Morris to stick to his verbal agreement ... but everyone already knows Klutch is cutthroat.



I'm all for being weary of Klutch (they'd be dumb not to be) but when you want a stretch forward and there's only one on the market worth more than a minimum contract, that's an annoyingly impossible situation. Either boycott and re-sign Cunningham or swallow your pride and ink the one stretch forward still up for grabs.

Whole situation sucks, I agree. But I don't think boycotting Klutch is a good short-term or long-term answer, IMO.

Cunningham, Lyle's does it make a difference?

[MannyIsGod]

No I get that; cant control everything this year. Was talking about why being so cavalier like SA has with dead money is not something to just ignore. If Lma gets injured this year we are screwed this year, but no reason to even put anything on the books for a non-difference maker past one year. Just no excuse IMO even if it’s not a “big” deal.

Thats fair.

[timvp]

, can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather have Cunningham back than Lyles. Especially if it's for the minimum vs the MLE (whole or partial).

[DPG21920]

I mean, it's technically possible but I don't think Klutch knew Bullock would fail his physical before he took a physical.

Shady agency, as we all know. Not above collusion, as we all know. But: 1) They're only getting more powerful. 2) It's unlikely they orchestrated the whole thing to screw the Spurs.

It's fair to say they should have pressured Morris to stick to his verbal agreement ... but everyone already knows Klutch is cutthroat.



I'm all for being weary of Klutch (they'd be dumb not to be) but when you want a stretch forward and there's only one on the market worth more than a minimum contract, that's an annoyingly impossible situation. Either boycott and re-sign Cunningham or swallow your pride and ink the one stretch forward still up for grabs.

Whole situation sucks, I agree. But I don't think boycotting Klutch is a good short-term or long-term answer, IMO.

I am fine with not boycotting them. To me boycotting means everything is cut off. That’s not what I am saying should have happened. I am saying you only deal with them or show interest in clients that mean something. Today, next year or beyond.

You are under no obligation to pay bad players in their stable is what I am saying and that is not a boycott to stay away from bad players tied to them.

[MannyIsGod]

The one good thing about having a contract with partially guarnteed money in year 2 is that if they sit on it and decide to make a move after December it becomes a good piece for salary matching.

[cutewizard]

If he can teach the young Jedi, Luka S some new tricks, then that's fine by me, lol

hahahahahahaha

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Exactly. People acting like signing Lyles was the only thing they could do. Not giving up youth or picks when you got Morris made sense. They were able to really improve the team without needing to be too aggressive via trade.

But once they lost Bertans and Morris? The option was not overpay a bad player; it was fire up the aggression and start making trades for a Morris-like player you know raises the ceiling.

Not just “aw shucks” it. I, even with Morris signed, wanted SA to push and make moves so it’s not just a reaction to this. The Lyles thing was just a bad move all around. It can be salvaged if SA pulls off a legit trade which they need to be heavily pursuing (and I think they are, but I have lost confidence with this Lyles move).

Who do the Spurs trade to aquire such player?

[MannyIsGod]

, can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather have Cunningham back than Lyles. Especially if it's for the minimum vs the MLE (whole or partial).

Ha, nah. I'd rather have Lyles. At least he has potential to be something useful even if its low. Cunningham is just the kind of player Pop can't help himself with at times.

[spurs10]

Would've preferred if the Spurs just got super aggressive to find a trade for a true Morris replacement instead.

This signing just feels like it's a "welp we got dealt a bad hand, this is as good as we can do now".

I'm thinking that's on. this was more bout the MLE and having to spend it on a FA.

[cutewizard]

SPURS WILL WIN THE 2020 NBA LE!

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[Mugen]

My man DPG21920. It's like when Sting joined NWO, come on over brotha

[DPG21920]

Primary way the Spurs improve is through the development of Murray, White, and Walker. Naturally all 3 are Spur draft picks. Morris was the obvious free agent target and they had an agreement before they didn't. Are they supposed to sue him now? Dump Murray for nothing to get back at his agent because that'll really show them who's boss? As for Lyles, meh. If you're worked up about Trey Lyles, close the laptop. You need to be done for the day.

I think it’s fair to say that anyone questioning why someone would give SA a C- for the offseason also needs to look at things. I agree the jump and best shot for big improvement is from within and have said so all Summer. I even love the youth and Im confident they will leap.

Having said that though, if evaluating the results of the off season, SA didn’t do anything really to help their young guys out and I feel they should have been extra aggressive in the trade market after Morris fell through. Lyles feels like a white flag to the off season.

I had them at a C- with the initial grade and bumped them to an A with Morris. Now that it’s Lyles instead of Morris it’s back to a C- and I think that is fair.

Hopefully they are not done and trades are coming because they need to. Not saying dump the young guys for nothing but try to get a difference maker with picks and non core players.

[slick'81]

My man DPG21920. It's like when Sting joined NWO, come on over brotha

Dont you mean hogan

[Robz4000]

Ha, nah. I'd rather have Lyles. At least he has potential to be something useful even if its low. Cunningham is just the kind of player Pop can't help himself with at times.

[EricB]

What? Adding Carroll while losing Bertans, while I am good with that, is not something you can logically point to as a real improvement. I like the Carroll signing, but it’s not adding someone who lifts the ceiling.

The improvement still relies 99% on the Murray/White/Lonnie combo but that was already on the team; SA didnt do anything to raise the ceiling that they already didn’t have. Like I said, they only *slightly harmed the future (more about principle then legit damage with dead money and being so carefree with it - no matter the year) but mostly just....did nothing.

I don’t blame them for Morris; but they absolutely did not have to sign, let alone over pay, a bad player (regardless of Klutch).

youre wrong but ok.

[DPG21920]

Who do the Spurs trade to aquire such player?

First round picks are pretty damn valuable and SA has a ton of promising youth already. I dont want to just give up picks for nothing, but if you can get a legit starting level player to raise the ceiling? You use expiring, non-core contracts plus a few future picks.

[RD2191]

My man DPG21920. It's like when Sting joined NWO, come on over brotha

DPG is like 5"5 though, more like the LWO tbh