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What players do you think are available for that package, tbh?So sad that a big chunk of the fanbase thinks moving Forbes, Beli, or a 1st rounder (when they have a ton of young guys to develop already) for a solid rotational piece is a "bold" move.
What are your thoughts on what SA should do. Do you think being aggressive to add a true upgrade is the move or is sitting back the better strategy.
So in this case, asking not about the result, but what you think the aim should be.
What players do you think are available for that package, tbh?So sad that a big chunk of the fanbase thinks moving Forbes, Beli, or a 1st rounder (when they have a ton of young guys to develop already) for a solid rotational piece is a "bold" move.
“Sorry, CHA at the last minute offered the full MLE and it’s a great franchise with an opportunity to truly develop”
I know you didn’t say younger players...I even named the players that they’d have to trade but explained why they’re hesitant.
I suggested the younger players or assets because that’s what it would taken for a real difference maker. So again I dunno what you really want them to do?
Going after Morris wasn’t risky and the contract they agreed to was bargain. Unless there’s a good deal via trade..it’s smart to stay patient and see what you have with your team
Knicks have an overstock of PF and might be looking to collect some picks...
Marvin Williams, MKG, Roberson, Crowder would probably just be Forbes & a 2nd, I think Iggy is done but Memphis would jump on that for him if salaries worked, even Fathead.....some of these guys probably wouldn't even cost a 1st....
I know what you're gonna say, that Bryn is better than any of those guys and that's where we'll disagree tbh.
You really don't think Bryn, Marco, and a 1st can bring back a good player that puts them in a better spot as currently constructed?
I think they'll continue to be aggressive. The move for Morris was pretty aggressive -- some have argued even recklessly aggressive.
The problem I see right now is teams are going to want multiple firsts and/or the ability to flip future firsts for any halfway decent player after those two OKC trades. That has set a new bar in such trades.
The Spurs will probably have to be patient for something more reasonable to come around after the market settles back down.
Big picture wise, the future of this franchise is mostly tied to the ceilings of White, Walker and Murray. No trade moves the needle anyways near as much as the needle would move if one of those three takes a big jump.
"I respect San Antonio," Trey Lyles told The Athletic, "but I needed to do what was best for myself and Pop called and told me sometimes practices last longer than two hours."
I agree with that; that’s why I was asking about aim vs result here. Spurs likely are trying aggressively so it’s not about that. That part I don’t have true knowledge of. But discussing mindset, etc..is what we do and I’m glad to see you think staying reasonably aggressive is a good plan
But yeah - most of us knew that just adding Dejounte/Lonnie (and emergence of White) was critical independent of anything else. That’s why I am so optimistic that with or without DeRozan I think SA would still be a playoff team.
The Spurs can't afford to take a step back three-point shooting-wise. I know you seem to be okay with Pop going to the vault and using some 1960s plays from back before three-pointers were a thing but that's not a great idea, IMO. The game is evolving to where you need four shooters on the court, preferably. The spacing was already challenging enough last year -- can't take a step down from that. So, with that in mind, you cross of MKG, Roberson and Kyle Anderson from your list. Salaries aren't close to matching for Iggy -- you need like $8 million more. Crowder and Carroll are basically the same player.
That leaves Marvin Williams. I've never been a huge fan but he'd fit decently well. Couple problems: 1) Salaries aren't close to matching. 2) Lyles at 80% potential is pretty much a Marvin Williams clone. 3) Giving away a first rounder for one year of Marvin Williams is about as meh of a move as you can come up with, IMO. You're not re-signing Williams because he'll be too old, so you'd be giving up an asset for someone who wouldn't move the needle all that much -- or, perhaps, won't even be needed if Lyles pans out.
I'm all for making a trade to improve. I don't see the wisdom, though, it making a move for the sake of making a move.
I really wonder if Aaron Gordon might shake loose
Maybe we can lure them to send Morris for a 1st round??
You are right, Lyles is 80% potential of whatever is left out there! He isn't that bad as compared to Marcus Morris. He's an inch taller and with a lot more wingspan. The Spurs system tends to maximize utility of a player, so being slightly not as good gets masked over.
You seem to be hinting that Forbes is in line for 25-30mpg this season which means less minutes for the younger, better guys. Yeah, I'm not okay with that. Like at all.
I honestly don't think Williams would cost a first rounder. I think Charlotte would do it just for a closer look at Forbes and to free up minutes for Washington.
Lyles, Forbes, Beli and Metu gets you there. You just have to wait til mid-December. I'd do that in a heartbeat.
And honestly those guys were the floor. If you're two months into the season and Minny is looking at another lottery year, why not go to them with Forbes, Beli, Metu and a 1st for Covington...
Nuggets just got a good young player in Jerami Grant for their 2020 first. The Spurs 2020 is likely to be higher, it can bring back some good value tbh and I don't think the fear of losing Bryn/Beli should hold you back from doing so.
While we're on the subject, if the roster doesn't change from now until opening night, how do you see the minutes be allocated to start? Would be a good read IMO...
FORBES SUCKS! I DON'T WANT FORBES!
EVERY OTHER TEAM WANTS FORBES!
WHO SUCKS!
DO NOT WANT!
It didn't occur to me why Trey Lyles was available. Turns out, Nuggets signed Jerami Grant by trading a future first round pick!
Don't believe I've talked about Forbes playing anywhere near that amount of minutes.You seem to be hinting that Forbes is in line for 25-30mpg this season which means less minutes for the younger, better guys. Yeah, I'm not okay with that. Like at all.
Unplayable for the Spurs. Enticing for the Hornets. Alright.
I could see that as a possibility at that point depending on how the chips fall. We'll have to revisit closer to that point, though.
Pipe dream, IMO.
The pick was just gravy in that trade. OKC mostly did it to escape paying what would have been a huge luxury tax bill. That was one of the last places where salary could have been dumped.
We should trade for that Morris guy..
So, because the Spurs can't make one-sided trades all the time, the front office which has built 5 le teams and made the playoffs for the last 20+ seasons straight doesn't know what it's doing. Or is "too nice", "soft", not "street" enough and so on. Some of you have such dumbass takes I don't know where to begin.
Haven't thought about it since The Renege. Good idea for a subject to explore, though. I'll give it a few days in case there's something to the Belinelli rumors, tbh.
Checking in for news and almost believed the MLE was back in play. I guess the team thought that was about as as good as they were going to do in free agency. So now I hope you're right and they continue to be aggressive in finding that player that can move the needle in terms of tough defense on the perimeter. I feel good with Gay or Carroll starting at the 4 to start the season. Trying not to be overly pessimistic about the Morris debacle, but hope there is still something coming.
Back to Forbes, really not sure why it's so hard to grasp...he has value, I've said that many times. He's a good shooter on a cheap deal.
The Hornets have a guard rotation, the Spurs have a really good one. He shouldn't play above Lonnie, DJ, and White tbh but on a bottom feeder team that has Terry Rozier and Malik Monk as their best backcourt players, he'd be a player that makes sense for Charlotte.
Other than being a decent 3-point shooter, Lyles is basically an outdated archetype at PF. He can't credibly play C or defend big wings and isn't a knockdown shooter, so he doesn't really check any box.
He was probably the best pure talent remaining and is still youngish, but to bend over to the same agency that just screwed you, for such an uninspiring pickup, is not a good look to say the least.
The only real positive is his salary because it opens up trade possibilities. Barring significant improvement from him and regression from Marvin Williams, sometime between December 15th and the trade deadline, Belinelli, Lyles and Metu for Williams, makes a lot of sense.
Covington is obviously worthwhile if he's recovered from his injury, but he's neither a good enough shooter to replace Forbes as the lone credible shooter in the starting lineup nor big/strong enough to function as a full time small ball PF.
If Trey Lyles takes to coaching and commits himself as a professional maybe this signing will be a blessing. He is likely the 14th or 15th man. Switching off and on with Luca Saminic. He might have realized that nobody wanted him, this could be his last shot in the NBA. To be honest, the Spurs have signed questionable guys and they have seemed to play themselves well enough on the Spurs into big contracts elsewhere ...Jamychael Green.
Trey lyles signing is so underwhelming ... can’t get excited for this guy ... like another poster said .. lyles looks soft and lazy
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