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    & what's stopping that (doctor) from fudging the protocol? "Mildred, I owe it to my country."

    No in' way, El. No.
    ^^^ this is what I'm talking about.

    I tell you what Dale, let's codify you can get a 2nd and even a 3rd opinion, within a reasonable timeframe. We'll also give doctors 3 strikes. After the 3rd time they approved somebody and they ended up shooting a place up, they're both criminally and civilly liable.

    We can work this out, it doesn't have to be black and white. But what we're doing is way better than sitting idle.

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    Although, it takes more effort than calling frumpy a white nationalist.

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    I'll do you one better, I'll give you the Chicago Tribune tracker on the POTUS using Chicago entirely for political gain:
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...htmlstory.html

    And so, we can't claim there's no awareness to the situation there. A cursory 'violence problematic in chicago' google search will give you both thorough reporting, statistics and plenty of coverage.

    The fallacy is to say "look at Chicago!" as if that's the bar. That's the bottom right now, just like New York or LA were at some point in time.
    Funny thing is that Chicago isn't even experiencing some unprecedented level of violence per their history.




    And conservatives won't patronize solutions there, either. We have proof of concept on what reduces gangs warring over black markets. A repeal of prohibition. But tell conservatives you want to make illicit drugs legal (where they can be regulated, taxed, and better controlled) and you'll get a "think of the children" response as they take yet another donation from Big Pharma.

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    Although, it takes more effort than calling frumpy a white nationalist.
    Yes, but, they don't get that little tingle in their balloon knot otherwise.

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    Although, it takes more effort than calling frumpy a white nationalist.
    Sure. However, it's clearly more difficult to address this problematic if indeed you are a white nationalist that frames non-white nationalists as the enemy.

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    Sure. However, it's clearly more difficult to address this problematic if indeed you are a white nationalist that frames non-white nationalists as the enemy.
    Boiled down:::

    Trump President.
    Not Clinton.

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    Sure. However, it's clearly more difficult to address this problematic if indeed you are a white nationalist that frames non-white nationalists as the enemy.
    (Sigh)

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    Although, it takes more effort than calling frumpy a white nationalist.
    Whatever he is, his rhetoric is unacceptable from a holder of public office. Running on anti-illegal, "build that wall" platform could only result in stirring up very ugly sentiment in the base. Every other president just shut the up about it and tightened border security without the fanfare. Obama, ironically, was probably the strictest president of the past 30 years on illegal immigration with record number of deportations, but there was no "fall out," because he didn't politicize it. It's not border security that people have a problem with, it's the rhetoric. Oh, and to take Obama to task for politicizing , I didn't like his response to the Trayvon situation, saying if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. When a politician goes there, he's basically suggesting a "group preference" that can only serve to alienate citizens not in that group. It's no surprise Latino minority citizens feel similarly alienated as Trump has made it abundantly clear which group he prefers.

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    Am I wrong? You base your campaign on how the brownies are sending rapists and murderers, and much rather take immigrants from Norway.

    What is one to derive from that? Clearly, the issue isn't immigration.

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    Whatever he is, his rhetoric is unacceptable from a holder of public office. Running on anti-illegal, "build that wall" platform could only result in stirring up very ugly sentiment in the base. Every other president just shut the up about it and tightened border security without the fanfare. Obama, ironically, was probably the strictest president of the past 30 years on illegal immigration with record number of deportations, but there was no "fall out," because he didn't politicize it. It's not border security that people have a problem with, it's the rhetoric. Oh, and to take Obama to task for politicizing , I didn't like his response to the Trayvon situation, saying if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. When a politician goes there, he's basically suggesting a "group preference" that can only serve to alienate citizens not in that group. It's no surprise Latino minority citizens feel similarly alienated as Trump has made it abundantly clear which group he prefers.

    I don't dismiss his rhetoric, but it doesn't account for events that precede him. He's a very easy blame.

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    Am I wrong? You base your campaign on how the brownies are sending rapists and murderers, and much rather take immigrants from Norway.

    What is one to derive from that? Clearly, the issue isn't immigration.

    Being tough on illegal immigration was once a mainstream/centrist platform by both parties.

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    Being tough on illegal immigration was once a mainstream/centrist platform by both parties.
    Tell it, Darrin. Testify!!!

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    Whatever he is, his rhetoric is unacceptable from a holder of public office. Running on anti-illegal, "build that wall" platform could only result in stirring up very ugly sentiment in the base. Every other president just shut the up about it and tightened border security without the fanfare. Obama, ironically, was probably the strictest president of the past 30 years on illegal immigration with record number of deportations, but there was no "fall out," because he didn't politicize it. It's not border security that people have a problem with, it's the rhetoric. Oh, and to take Obama to task for politicizing , I didn't like his response to the Trayvon situation, saying if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. When a politician goes there, he's basically suggesting a "group preference" that can only serve to alienate citizens not in that group. It's no surprise Latino minority citizens feel similarly alienated as Trump has made it abundantly clear which group he prefers.
    Tell it, midst. Testify!!!

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    Being tough on illegal immigration was once a mainstream/centrist platform by both parties.
    Being a xenophobe is not being 'tough on immigration', we need to be clear here. Like I said, according to him, immigrants from Norway are a-ok. So that's not 'tough on immigration', that's clearly something else.

    Obviously, it's not just him and only him. Everything adds or subtracts towards a solution, and rhetoric like that never helps.

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    Being a xenophobe is not being 'tough on immigration', we need to be clear here. Like I said, according to him, immigrants from Norway are a-ok. So that's not 'tough on immigration', that's clearly something else.

    Obviously, it's not just him and only him. Everything adds or subtracts towards a solution, and rhetoric like that never helps.
    Because like He also said:::these holes aren't sending us their best. They're sending us their worst. How does it benefit us to take in their worst when we can take Sweden's worst. Sweden's worst is better than the hole's worst I guarantee you that.

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    Being a xenophobe is not being 'tough on immigration', we need to be clear here. Like I said, according to him, immigrants from Norway are a-ok. So that's not 'tough on immigration', that's clearly something else.

    Obviously, it's not just him and only him. Everything adds or subtracts towards a solution, and rhetoric like that never helps.

    Well, the H1B visa (you may have one), is reserved for foreign nationals with specific education and/or skills.

    I would differentiate those folks from randos crossing our border illegally.

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    I don't dismiss his rhetoric, but it doesn't account for events that precede him. He's a very easy blame.
    He should be blamed for his rhetoric. I'm okay with unpolitical comments and humor, but leaders should really never "go there." Save that for comedians and talk show hosts. Trump knew exactly what sentiment he was appealing to with his hole country and Norway remarks. Do I think he's a racist? Probably not. The guy is a career hustler and just spouting to get votes, but it's dangerous rhetoric all the same. And yes, words can be dangerous. Pen is mightier than the sword and all that.

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    Because like He also said:::these holes aren't sending us their best. They're sending us their worst. How does it benefit us to take in their worst when we can take Sweden's worst. Sweden's worst is better than the hole's worst I guarantee you that.
    You don't know that. Italians sent their mobsters this way too. We eventually made it just fine. Half of the brownies come in through the border legally with a tourist visa and a DoS background check and overstay.

    Well, the H1B visa (you may have one), is reserved for foreign nationals with specific education and/or skills.

    I would differentiate those folks from randos crossing our border illegally.
    Again, this isn't an immigration issue. Clearly, he didn't hate immigration when he was hiring illegals. I get that the rhetoric might impress guys like Dale, and it's politically expedient. It might be even something you personally feel that needs to be addressed. The problem with such rhetoric is that it can be easily misunderstood too.

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    Because like He also said:::these holes aren't sending us their best. They're sending us their worst. How does it benefit us to take in their worst when we can take Sweden's worst. Sweden's worst is better than the hole's worst I guarantee you that.
    Seems to be working out okay. In the Latino immigration era, crime has fell nationwide (crime was higher at the height of European immigration) and the American economy, despite the blips, has soldiered on. I'm not saying immigrants were responsible for these trends, just that they don't exacerbate problems like everyone thinks.

    And we need the "worst," Cub. You think some degreed Swede is going to want to roof for 12 hours per day in the Arizona sun? And pampered American children ain't doing those jobs no more. Movie quote for ya:

    "The world needs ditch diggers."

    - Judge Smails

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    Seems to be working out okay. In the Latino immigration era, crime has fell nationwide (crime was higher at the height of European immigration) and the American economy, despite the blips, has soldiered on. I'm not saying immigrants were responsible for these trends, just that they don't exacerbate problems like everyone thinks.

    And we need the "worst," Cub. You think some degreed Swede is going to want to roof for 12 hours per day in the Arizona sun? And pampered American children ain't doing those jobs no more. Movie quote for ya:

    "The world needs ditch diggers."

    - Judge Smails
    They're breaking the law by breaking & entering this countryPERIOD

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    No. Do not give an inch, nary one in' inch. No. Uh, uh. Nothing.

    The Senate & the President must remain resolutePERIOD

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    Replying to @realDonaldTrump


    The Dayton Shooter Was a Satanist, Leftist-Socialist, and a Bernie/Warren Fan, Supported Antifa!! #Antifa#AntifaTerrorists He hated Trump, hated Republicans, was an avowed leftist, used antifa style language in his posts, and loved Elizabeth Warren!!(link: https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/201...th-warren-fan/) redstate.com/bonchie/2019/0…

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