Mass shooting in Dayton Ohio bar

[Pavlov]

We know what we know

But you don't. For a guy who wants others to think he's smart, you're pretty stupid when it comes to the people you collect information on here.

[DMC]

But you don't. For a guy who wants others to think he's smart, you're pretty stupid when it comes to the people you collect information on here.

[Pavlov]

Is that a wheelchair reference?

Are you trying to make edgy handicap jokes, DMC?

[ElNono]

The one above your is the one you responded to.

We don't seem to be trying to understand these things. We seem to be trying to distance ourselves and our politics from them. This is why the mass shootings around the country are used as troll fodder for race baiters, while those in hotbeds like Chicago are dismissed as "understood". There are dead people in both cases. We should treat murders the same across the board. Interesting side notes about motivations don't change the fact that innocent people died. Sure one is more sensational than the other, but that shouldn't make it more important.

This actually started with this post:

If ISIS did this in Chicago in 2019, what policies would be discussed?



Shooting deaths are ok as long as they don't come in large groups, just sneak a few in now and then especially in poor black communities... that's their problem. right?

You guys won't touch this with a 10 foot pole. It's your flowers in the attic.

Which is the very first I responded to. I took the "You guys" to mean not here specifically, but the left/media in general (although it mirrors the constant Chicago! outcries in this forum). Apologies it that was not the case.

And I do draw a distinction. We largely *do* understand the problematic of violence in big cities. There are very specific factors for it, and certain cities have/had policies that largely reduced it. I would argue that the reason Chicago today is like New York or LA once were is not that we don't understand the dynamics there, it's just that leadership, be it at the city, state or both levels, have repeatedly failed to install and carry through the necessary policies to bring order.

IMO, mass shootings are a completely different ballgame. Yeah, end result might be the same, but when you get down to the nitty gritty of motive, prevention, what kind of policies you could install to address it, we're much more in the dark. There always seem to be some red flag here and there looking in hindsight, but we're not talking about career criminals here (which is much more common in city violence), but first time offenders dialing it up to 11.

[MultiTroll]

Excellent interview with previous recent girlfriend

Adelia Johnson and ex bandmate.

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local/dayton-shooting-former-bandmate-girlfriend-cut-ties-with-betts-before-mass-shooting/vkAVbaDcSQfAfSGpRWWLuJ/

[boutons_deux]

Trump and his aides go on bizarre attack after hospital visit over something that didn’t happen

President Donald Trump and the White House are outraged — but it’s not actually clear what is fueling their anger.

the president’s aides went on the attack against Democratic Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown and Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley.

While it’s not unusual for Trump and his team to lash out at critics,

these remarks were particularly bizarre,

because Brown and Whaley didn’t say anything that contradicted Scavino’s claims.

Whaley and Brown have both been critical of the president,

so it’s not too surprising that the White House would target them.

But they did not criticize him for his actual appearance in the hospital, which is what Trump and aides are now bizarrely fixated on.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/trump-and-his-aides-go-on-bizarre-attack-after-hospital-visit-over-something-that-didnt-happen/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1064

punching and fighting gratuitously to inflame Trash's inflammable racist cult mob

[MultiTroll]

Ya and all they said was get a gun bill going.
Which is like, wtf would anyone oppose further background checks to purchase a gun?

Loonacy.
Trumps on the NRA payroll.

[Spurminator]

Bottom shelf troll excuse. You were sock puppet supporting your own threads.

"Supporting" my own threads? For what purpose?

I strike you as someone who backs away from conflict and someone who gives a about whether my rare threads get responses.

I think you're projecting your own insecurities, tbh. Whatever my motivations for having an alt, I'm secure in the fact that I've never sought information to "out" an alt or poster who annoyed me. That's what you did. And it still gets under your skin two years later.

If you want to display the flamboyant gay, just be yourself.

Bottom shelf insult attempt. Derpish.

[Thread]

Trump and his aides go on bizarre attack after hospital visit over something that didn’t happen

President Donald Trump and the White House are outraged — but it’s not actually clear what is fueling their anger.

the president’s aides went on the attack against Democratic Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown and Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley.

While it’s not unusual for Trump and his team to lash out at critics,

these remarks were particularly bizarre,

because Brown and Whaley didn’t say anything that contradicted Scavino’s claims.

Whaley and Brown have both been critical of the president,

so it’s not too surprising that the White House would target them.

But they did not criticize him for his actual appearance in the hospital, which is what Trump and aides are now bizarrely fixated on.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/trump-and-his-aides-go-on-bizarre-attack-after-hospital-visit-over-something-that-didnt-happen/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1064

punching and fighting gratuitously to inflame Trash's inflammable racist cult mob

He cleaned both their in' clocks & they had it comin'.

[Splits]

Excellent interview with previous recent girlfriend

Adelia Johnson and ex bandmate.

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local/dayton-shooting-former-bandmate-girlfriend-cut-ties-with-betts-before-mass-shooting/vkAVbaDcSQfAfSGpRWWLuJ/

Damn. If this is really her account and she knew him as well as she thinks she did, this one can definitely be chalked up to "mentally ill". Like the opposite of the El Paso terrorist.

[KenMcCoy]

Damn. If this is really her account and she knew him as well as she thinks she did, this one can definitely be chalked up to "mentally ill". Like the opposite of the El Paso terrorist.

Left - Mentally Ill = OK
Right - Mentally Ill = Terrorist

I think it's safe to say that anyone who would kill another person outside of self-defense, defense of others, or defense of property, is mentally ill.

[DMC]

"Supporting" my own threads? For what purpose?

It's your thread and your sock puppet. Why are you asking me?

I strike you as someone who backs away from conflict and someone who gives a about whether my rare threads get responses.

You created a sock puppet to avoid conflict head on, and now you project.

I think you're projecting your own insecurities, tbh. Whatever my motivations for having an alt, I'm secure in the fact that I've never sought information to "out" an alt or poster who annoyed me. That's what you did. And it still gets under your skin two years later.

that's what you just did. It doesn't get under my skin. It's a sore spot for you, and I like putting some salt in the wound now and again.

Bottom shelf insult attempt. Derpish.

Oh another cute nickname ad hom.
Your image here was tarnished by your own doing. Don't blame others for your choices.

[DMC]

This actually started with this post:



Which is the very first I responded to. I took the "You guys" to mean not here specifically, but the left/media in general (although it mirrors the constant Chicago! outcries in this forum). Apologies it that was not the case.

And I do draw a distinction. We largely *do* understand the problematic of violence in big cities. There are very specific factors for it, and certain cities have/had policies that largely reduced it. I would argue that the reason Chicago today is like New York or LA once were is not that we don't understand the dynamics there, it's just that leadership, be it at the city, state or both levels, have repeatedly failed to install and carry through the necessary policies to bring order.

IMO, mass shootings are a completely different ballgame. Yeah, end result might be the same, but when you get down to the nitty gritty of motive, prevention, what kind of policies you could install to address it, we're much more in the dark. There always seem to be some red flag here and there looking in hindsight, but we're not talking about career criminals here (which is much more common in city violence), but first time offenders dialing it up to 11.

I'm fine with differentiating the two types of mass shootings. I'm not fine with pretending one is the end of mankind as we know it while the other is business as usual.

[ElNono]

I'm fine with differentiating the two types of mass shootings. I'm not fine with pretending one is the end of mankind as we know it while the other is business as usual.

I don't think either is the end of mankind. However, crime in dangerous areas have been 'business as usual' for a long, long time, due to well known policy failures. It is logical to a degree that the combination of gangs, drug trade, guns, poverty, social exclusion, etc does tend to result in high crime rates. It's not really that dissimilar with 'collateral' civilian casualties in war zone bombings, etc. It's a war zone. The expectation, however, is that moving away from those areas would lead to certain degree of safety from those incidents, and this is where mass shootings are disruptive.

Just like lowering the bar and generalizing to "guns are the problem" is a lazy intellectual approach, attempting to bulk them all together when we know they're different problematics that require different solutions, is lazy too.

[DMC]

I don't think either is the end of mankind. However, crime in dangerous areas have been 'business as usual' for a long, long time, due to well known policy failures. It is logical to a degree that the combination of gangs, drug trade, guns, poverty, social exclusion, etc does tend to result in high crime rates. It's not really that dissimilar with 'collateral' civilian casualties in war zone bombings, etc. It's a war zone. The expectation, however, is that moving away from those areas would lead to certain degree of safety from those incidents, and this is where mass shootings are disruptive.

Just like lowering the bar and generalizing to "guns are the problem" is a lazy intellectual approach, attempting to bulk them all together when we know they're different problematics that require different solutions, is lazy too.

Let's look at the real reason people are more freaked out... They cannot avoid it by avoiding the city where it happens. It's the "might happen to me" aspect that scares people. It's not really the "many people die" aspect. This is what you allude to above.

This is the same reasoning I use so I understand it completely. It's why I have a CHL.

[Trill Clinton]

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