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    What's your definition of the "rich" that will pay for your insurance?
    Really who cares?

    He gave about 5 reasons to back his position to your zero. Is it that hard to admit he might have a point?

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    Really who cares?

    He gave about 5 reasons to back his position to your zero. Is it that hard to admit he might have a point?
    Really who cares when we are not getting single payer in this country?

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    It's laughable that some of you think that the government can ever run anything well or within budget (remember Obamacare website)? Instead of insurance middlemen, we will have a myriad of government workers (with their corresponding pensions) to "administer" this FREE healthcare. And instead of new drugs, medical devices, and boosts to OUR pensions/401ks (which are invested in said insurance companies), we will have rationed, govt-deemed(non)essential benefits, DMV-style healthcare and primaries/specialists/therapists running for the door (or not going into the field at all).

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    Signs of declining health for American men abound in the National Center for Health Statistics latest annual report.

    Life expectancy at birth for males declined to 76.1 years in 2017 from 76.5 in 2014, according to the data. At age 65, men are projected to live another 18.1 years compared with 20.6 years for women.

    These and other takeaways from the annual report, which tracks the health of the U.S. population across different metrics, have implications for productivity, wages, and the broader economy.

    Here are some other highlights from the report released on Oct. 30.

    Life Expectancy

    Life expectancy has been falling across demographics in America. The estimates for whites, blacks and Hispanics fell to 78.5, 74.9 and 81.8 respectively by 2017, after having peaked in 2012 or 2014 for those groups.

    The decline in life expectancy is occurring in part due to deaths from despair. From 2007 to 2017, the mortality rate from drug overdoses increased 82%, to 21.7 deaths from 11.9 per 100,000. Over the same 10-year period, suicide rates increased 24%, to 14.0 deaths from 11.3 per 100,000 resident population.

    Males had twice the female drug overdose death rate in 2017 and rates for men have virtually doubled since 2007. The recent increases were especially pronounced among men aged 25–34 and 35–44, the report shows.

    While drug overdose rates per 100,000 are considerably lower for females, in recent years younger age groups have seen a marked increase. The drug overdose death rate increased around 17% per year among females aged 15–34 years.

    Suicides among Americans have also increased sharply -- from 26,869 in 1980 to 47,173 in 2017. In 2017, it was the second leading cause of death, behind accidents, for young age groups -- 10–14, 15–19, and 20–24 -- and it reached a record high, with younger males in particular strongly impacted.


    Poor Health

    Many Americans are suffering from poor health. About one third of adults suffer from a condition that limits functionality, which is a concern as the population ages. The number of adults age 65 and over struggling with poor health, which impacts families and increases pressure on health services and social care, increased from 14.7 million in 2010 to 20.4 million in 2017.

    The use of e-cigarettes among high school students, grades nine through 12, has soared this decade to 20.8% in 2018 from 1.5% in 2011. The rate has almost doubled in the last year alone from from 11.7% in 2017, the data show.

    Obesity

    From 1999–2000 to 2015–2016, the age-adjusted prevalence of obesity among men increased from 27.4% to 38.1%. For American woman, the situation is even worse -- the prevalence of obesity among them increased from 33.3% to 41.2%.

    Adult obesity is correlated with higher death rates as it often is associated with increases in hypertension, high cholesterol levels, type 2 diabetes, and other health conditions which limit ones functionality such as asthma, sleep apnea, and joint problems.

    Many problems associated with poor health stem from lower incomes.

    Adults with low income were more likely to delay, or not receive, needed medical care due to cost. While 7.4% of Americans delayed or did not receive needed medical care due to the cost involved, that figure is down from 10.9% in 2010. On a per capita basis, Americans spent $10,739 on health expenditures in 2017.

    There is some good news in the report too. Though heart disease remains the most common cause of death -- death rates from heart disease and cancer have dropped by about 15% between 2007 to 2017. Deaths from strokes for both men and women are down 13.6%, mainly due to better prevention, diagnosis and treatment, according to the report.

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    Good, we need to rid this country of Boomers ASAP.

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    Good, we need to rid this country of Boomers ASAP.
    You don't read very well, do you? It was in there. It's the young killing themselves that are moving the averages down.

    Once boomers reach 65 they are hanging around. Average for men is 83.1, 85.6 for women.

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    You don't read very well, do you? It was in there. It's the young killing themselves that are moving the averages down.

    Once boomers reach 65 they are hanging around. Average for men is 83.1, 85.6 for women.
    It said “in part” due to suicides/overdoses. You don’t read very well, do you?

    The number of adults age 65 and over struggling with poor health, which impacts families and increases pressure on health services and social care, increased from 14.7 million in 2010 to 20.4 million in 2017.
    lol didn’t even read your own . Like I said, let em die.

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    It said “in part” due to suicides/overdoses. You don’t read very well, do you?



    lol didn’t even read your own . Like I said, let em die.
    Here you go, dumbass. First paragraph.

    At age 65, men are projected to live another 18.1 years compared with 20.6 years for women.

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    Good, we need to rid this country of Boomers ASAP.
    you're gonna end up in a hole retirement joint for that

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    you're gonna end up in a hole retirement joint for that
    I can’t wait for Gen AA to start ing about my generation right in front of my old ass. Hopefully I have dimentia and forgot how I invited karma to bite me in the ass.

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    Really who cares when we are not getting single payer in this country?
    I don't claim to know what is or isn't going to happen. Certainty such as yours harkens to my sig.

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    Here you go, dumbass. First paragraph.
    That doesn't mean that as a whole they are in good health. You need to learn what mutual exclusivity and the significance of it when you make counterexamples.

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    Signs of declining health for American men abound in the National Center for Health Statistics latest annual report.

    Life expectancy at birth for males declined to 76.1 years in 2017 from 76.5 in 2014, according to the data. At age 65, men are projected to live another 18.1 years compared with 20.6 years for women.

    These and other takeaways from the annual report, which tracks the health of the U.S. population across different metrics, have implications for productivity, wages, and the broader economy.

    Here are some other highlights from the report released on Oct. 30.

    Life Expectancy

    Life expectancy has been falling across demographics in America. The estimates for whites, blacks and Hispanics fell to 78.5, 74.9 and 81.8 respectively by 2017, after having peaked in 2012 or 2014 for those groups.

    The decline in life expectancy is occurring in part due to deaths from despair. From 2007 to 2017, the mortality rate from drug overdoses increased 82%, to 21.7 deaths from 11.9 per 100,000. Over the same 10-year period, suicide rates increased 24%, to 14.0 deaths from 11.3 per 100,000 resident population.

    Males had twice the female drug overdose death rate in 2017 and rates for men have virtually doubled since 2007. The recent increases were especially pronounced among men aged 25–34 and 35–44, the report shows.

    While drug overdose rates per 100,000 are considerably lower for females, in recent years younger age groups have seen a marked increase. The drug overdose death rate increased around 17% per year among females aged 15–34 years.

    Suicides among Americans have also increased sharply -- from 26,869 in 1980 to 47,173 in 2017. In 2017, it was the second leading cause of death, behind accidents, for young age groups -- 10–14, 15–19, and 20–24 -- and it reached a record high, with younger males in particular strongly impacted.


    Poor Health

    Many Americans are suffering from poor health. About one third of adults suffer from a condition that limits functionality, which is a concern as the population ages. The number of adults age 65 and over struggling with poor health, which impacts families and increases pressure on health services and social care, increased from 14.7 million in 2010 to 20.4 million in 2017.

    The use of e-cigarettes among high school students, grades nine through 12, has soared this decade to 20.8% in 2018 from 1.5% in 2011. The rate has almost doubled in the last year alone from from 11.7% in 2017, the data show.

    Obesity

    From 1999–2000 to 2015–2016, the age-adjusted prevalence of obesity among men increased from 27.4% to 38.1%. For American woman, the situation is even worse -- the prevalence of obesity among them increased from 33.3% to 41.2%.

    Adult obesity is correlated with higher death rates as it often is associated with increases in hypertension, high cholesterol levels, type 2 diabetes, and other health conditions which limit ones functionality such as asthma, sleep apnea, and joint problems.

    Many problems associated with poor health stem from lower incomes.

    Adults with low income were more likely to delay, or not receive, needed medical care due to cost. While 7.4% of Americans delayed or did not receive needed medical care due to the cost involved, that figure is down from 10.9% in 2010. On a per capita basis, Americans spent $10,739 on health expenditures in 2017.

    There is some good news in the report too. Though heart disease remains the most common cause of death -- death rates from heart disease and cancer have dropped by about 15% between 2007 to 2017. Deaths from strokes for both men and women are down 13.6%, mainly due to better prevention, diagnosis and treatment, according to the report.
    All this tells me is that the current regime criminalizing drug use is a failure and that mental health treatment needs to be included in health plans. Well that and that young people are really displeased with the society Boomer's have produced since coming into the majority in 1983.

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    aw, not THIS again

    The oligarchy/VRWC show got started in the early '70s when the oldest Boomers were under 30 years old.

    10Ms of Boomers are living in or near poverty, if working, then paycheck to paycheck, BigFinance having stolen their homes in 06-09, bled them for decades with ripoff health costs, suppressed the wages by busting unions, etc, etc.

    Boomers? G M A F B

    It's eternally the wealthy vs the non-wealthy, not an age group vs other age groups.

    goddamn, some people are ing stupid

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    What's your definition of the "rich" that will pay for your insurance?
    dodging the question. you said you were pretty sure that middle class taxes would go up more than they currently pay for health care.

    how are you pretty sure?

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    aw, not THIS again

    The oligarchy/VRWC show got started in the early '70s when the oldest Boomers were under 30 years old.

    10Ms of Boomers are living in or near poverty, if working, then paycheck to paycheck, BigFinance having stolen their homes in 06-09, bled them for decades with ripoff health costs, suppressed the wages by busting unions, etc, etc.

    Boomers? G M A F B

    It's eternally the wealthy vs the non-wealthy, not an age group vs other age groups.

    goddamn, some people are ing stupid
    Oh I'll give you the police state. I'm talking about the whole supply side and deregulation movement that started with Reagan. He was the Boomer's golden child. They just about deify him.

    As for poverty, everyone is eating that turd but the elderly are being hit less hard than 18-64. The whole bailout was to save Boomer 401ks. I never said the generation was smart or wouldn't get burned by their asinine policies. At least now they'll be dead before the chickens come home to roost.

    I get that you are a boomer and don't like being lumped in with the rest of your generation but as a group it is what it is.

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    Oh I'll give you the police state. I'm talking about the whole supply side and deregulation movement that started with Reagan. He was the Boomer's golden child. They just about deify him.

    I get that you are a boomer and don't like being lumped in with the rest of your generation but as a group it is what it is.
    multi-millionaire mentally ill St Ronnie and his VRWC Repug posse were 100% pro-wealthy and anti-non-wealthy, got the ball conceived in the 1970s rolling hard and fast. 1980 is when household income began flattening, exec salaries started to boom, inequality increased, and illegal stock buybacks were legalized.

    Also the "corporate tax inversion" for evading taxes was passed in 1986.

    Wealthy class versus/screwing/fleecing the non-wealthy class

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    multi-millionaire mentally ill St Ronnie and his VRWC Repug posse were 100% pro-wealthy and anti-non-wealthy, got the ball conceived in the 1970s rolling hard and fast. 1980 is when household income began flattening, exec salaries started to boom, inequality increased, and illegal stock buybacks were legalized.

    Also the "corporate tax inversion" for evading taxes was passed in 1986.

    Wealthy class versus/screwing/fleecing the non-wealthy class
    You really need to learn mutual exclusivity. No it was oligarchs who came up with the policies and how the were packaged. It was the Boomers that started voting it in and have not stopped ever since; they bought the turd. This latest tax bill is another shining turd of high boomer turnout.

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    Warren agrees Medicare-for-All could result in two million jobs lost: 'This is part of the cost issue'

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    BEZOS MONEY FOR ALL
    Jeff Bezos would pay nearly $7 billion to Elizabeth Warren's Medicare-for-all tax
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    Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) has a plan for taking Jeff Bezos' money.

    The 2020 candidate unveiled her proposal Friday to pay for her estimated $34 trillion Medicare-for-all plan without upping taxes on the middle class. It relies on a big chunk of change from the country's biggest earners, and would end up costing the Amazon founder nearly $7 billion.

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    BEZOS MONEY FOR ALL
    Jeff Bezos would pay nearly $7 billion to Elizabeth Warren's Medicare-for-all tax
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    Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) has a plan for taking Jeff Bezos' money.

    The 2020 candidate unveiled her proposal Friday to pay for her estimated $34 trillion Medicare-for-all plan without upping taxes on the middle class. It relies on a big chunk of change from the country's biggest earners, and would end up costing the Amazon founder nearly $7 billion.
    Are you saying Jeff Bezos having to pay more taxes is a bad thing?

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    Warren agrees Medicare-for-All could result in two million jobs lost: 'This is part of the cost issue'
    The health insurance industry would be gutted. OTOH, demand for doctors, nurses, and the like would go up. The administration of the expansion would lead to a large increase in jobs as well.

    Of course the national review and wherever else you have doing your thinking for you do not address that.

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    The health insurance industry would be gutted. OTOH, demand for doctors, nurses, and the like would go up. The administration of the expansion would lead to a large increase in jobs as well.

    Of course the national review and wherever else you have doing your thinking for you do not address that.
    But Jeff Bezos will have to pay more taxes

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    But Jeff Bezos will have to pay more taxes
    and "her estimated" $34T plan

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    well there you have it, her plan doesnt call for middle class tax hikes at all (i dont think thats tenable, tbh... sanders' plan is more realistic)

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