I just found out that Jonathan Simmons is out of the league

[paperboy77]

I don't see anybody hating Simmons, tbh. Just folks saying he was (and by the look of things, still is) way overrated by people here. I'm glad the dude made the most of his opportunity and became a millionaire, tbh.

You're splitting hairs buddy. Hate, overrated, un-Spursy, dunking, flash..... all that means the same thing in this " hole" called Spurs Fandom. It's either one side to the other around here... depending on their mood of course.

[FkLA]

He was a classic example of style over substance. He made some spectacular dunks, he had some flashy attacks to the basket, he looked like he tried on defense, but at no point of his career did any of that resulted on positive impact on the basketball court.

He played 4 seasons in the NBA, he never posted positive impact numbers on any of them. Neither in offense nor defense. He was just very mediocre. His only average (or above average) NBA skill was athleticism.

The flashy stuff was cool but for me it was the things I mentioned in my post that made me like him. I think he had a lot of potential if he would've let the Spurs keep bringing him along instead of opting for the short term payday. Since you brought them up for his first season in ORL, his OBPM and VORP were positive in the 2017 playoffs, tbf.

I don't think he was a star in the making or anything like that but he could've been a solid rotation player. A starter even, on a roster as weak as the one we have right now. Definitely better than Brandon Paul. IDK why you always hated him so much.

[FkLA]

Simmons could always show flashes of really good play on offense and defense. He could just never pull it together with any consistency and couldn't be relied upon to perform at a certain level.

Yeah, he never actually put it together for a prolonged period of time but when he left I felt like he was on the cusp. Especially considering some of the other deals that were handed out around that time, for $7 mill/yr, it would've been worth finding out if he could've put it together under the Spurs structure, imo.

[DAF86]

The flashy stuff was cool but for me it was the things I mentioned in my post that made me like him. I think he had a lot of potential if he would've let the Spurs keep bringing him along instead of opting for the short term payday. Since you brought them up for his first season in ORL, his OBPM and VORP were positive in the 2017 playoffs, tbf.

I don't think he was a star in the making or anything like that but he could've been a solid rotation player. A starter even, on a roster as weak as the one we have right now. Definitely better than Brandon Paul. IDK why you always hated him so much.

Like I said, I never hated him. Just think he wasn't really very good. Back then, many folks were even talking about signing him to a multiyear contract of about 10 millions per year. was ridiculous. It was more about being vocal of the huge mistake the organization would be making signing a journeyman to that kind of money. Same thing I did with Mills and Gasol, tbh. Unfortunately, the Spurs went the other way with those two.

[MannyIsGod]

He was a classic example of style over substance. He made some spectacular dunks, he had some flashy attacks to the basket, he looked like he tried on defense, but at no point of his career did any of that resulted on positive impact on the basketball court.

He played 4 seasons in the NBA, he never posted positive impact numbers on any of them. Neither in offense nor defense. He was just very mediocre. His only average (or above average) NBA skill was athleticism.

This is bull . The dude got paid and flamed out, but he worked his ass off to get that contract. Why make up this bull revisionist history?

[UZER]

Needs to cash one more paycheck by selling the rights to his from $150 to the NBA story.

[Chinook]

This is bull . The dude got paid and flamed out, but he worked his ass off to get that contract. Why make up this bull revisionist history?

It's hard to call that revisionist at all. Simmons wasn't a good NBA player. Not for the Sixers, not for the Magic and certainly not for SA. A good deal of us knew that then and have been saying so for years. , he wasn't even a very good d-league player. He had a great first summer league and didn't destroy the team when he played. But he was worse than even current Beli or Cun/Pon from last year for example. Back then, people were obsessed with the idea of the Spurs being athletic, so a guy who could do crazy dunks got a big following. Now, the perimeter is actually pretty athletic, so Simmons would have looked even less remarkable in this (decidedly worse) rotation.

[koriwhat]

It's hard to call that revisionist at all. Simmons wasn't a good NBA player. Not for the Sixers, not for the Magic and certainly not for SA. A good deal of us knew that then and have been saying so for years. , he wasn't even a very good d-league player. He had a great first summer league and didn't destroy the team when he played. But he was worse than even current Beli or Cun/Pon from last year for example. Back then, people were obsessed with the idea of the Spurs being athletic, so a guy who could do crazy dunks got a big following. Now, the perimeter is actually pretty athletic, so Simmons would have looked even less remarkable in this (decidedly worse) rotation.

all i know is when kawhi went down simmons was the only one out there ballin' during those PO's. i would've rather kept him back then then a few others who showed no heart whatsoever. not saying it would've panned out for the best interest of the spurs though but i saw nothing but scrubs when kawhi went down except for simmons.

[ZeusWillJudge]

It's hard to call that revisionist at all. Simmons wasn't a good NBA player. Not for the Sixers, not for the Magic and certainly not for SA. A good deal of us knew that then and have been saying so for years. , he wasn't even a very good d-league player. He had a great first summer league and didn't destroy the team when he played. But he was worse than even current Beli or Cun/Pon from last year for example. Back then, people were obsessed with the idea of the Spurs being athletic, so a guy who could do crazy dunks got a big following. Now, the perimeter is actually pretty athletic, so Simmons would have looked even less remarkable in this (decidedly worse) rotation.

LOL. I knew Triple-A would chime in. You just can't help yourself.

"He wasn't even a very good D-League player", huh? Do you know who played the most minutes for the Magic that season, Triple-A? Simmons, by a fairly good margin. He wasn't even good enough for the D-League (according to you), but the Magic's FO couldn't figure it out enough to avoid giving him the most minutes on the team? For a whole damn season? And don't tell me they didn't have a choice. They had players who were at least good enough for the G-League. According to you, anybody should have been better than him.

I don't understand why you're not a GM for an NBA team, Triple-A. Or at least a G-League team.

[DAF86]

This is bull . The dude got paid and flamed out, but he worked his ass off to get that contract. Why make up this bull revisionist history?

When did I say he didn't work his ass off? He just wasn't very good, that's all. If anything, it speaks volumes of his working ethic that he got that kind of contract with above average athleticism and not much more.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

cat could score

[alpha_HaZE]

Left San Antonio to put up empty stats in Orlando. Declined LeBron's offer to play him with in Cleveland, guaranteed trip to the finals. Amazing.

Yes, and he said he wants to beat LeBron not play with LeBron, lol what a fool.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

https://section215.com/2019/08/04/ph...n-simmons-tbt/

Pretty sad. How can a athletic 6'6'' guard struggle to find a place in today's NBA



Interesting....I wonder if J-Simmons would've made more money if he stayed with the Spurs.

same way Walker won't.

[TheGreatYacht]

Lonnie is made from the same cloth. He will be out of the league not too long from now too.

And what led you to believe that, seat-sniffer? His 4 minute stints?

[SAGirl]

Lonnie, KJ, Luka S. will all be out of the league in not that long. The question is do any of them get significant playing time at all? Doubt they play as many minutes as Simmons did.

There were better players available. Bad draft choices. That’s why I’m not convinced that the FO would make the right picks if we somehow traded away DDR and LMA for picks.

I am afraid of them making a bad trade as well.

[MultiTroll]

https://section215.com/2019/08/04/ph...n-simmons-tbt/

"very well could find himself fighting for a roster spot on a team in need of a backcourt defensive stopper (like the Los Angeles Clippers)"

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs never had big plans for JSimms. He was what he was. They're trying to mold Lonnie into something great. That takes more time and effort.

that's why Pop is trying to trade him

[Prime BEEF]

I am afraid of them making a bad trade as well.

yeah not a fun position to be in as a fan. No confidence in their draft analysis, no confidence in talent scouting of existing nba players (for trades), no confidence in coaching decisions about current players on the team.

yay!

[Play Boban]

https://section215.com/2019/08/04/ph...n-simmons-tbt/

Pretty sad. How can a athletic 6'6'' guard struggle to find a place in today's NBA



Interesting....I wonder if J-Simmons would've made more money if he stayed with the Spurs.

Glad to hear it tbh. Greedy.

And a bunch of morons on this forum continually hyped him.

[Chinook]

LOL. I knew Triple-A would chime in. You just can't help yourself.

"He wasn't even a very good D-League player", huh? Do you know who played the most minutes for the Magic that season, Triple-A? Simmons, by a fairly good margin. He wasn't even good enough for the D-League (according to you), but the Magic's FO couldn't figure it out enough to avoid giving him the most minutes on the team? For a whole damn season? And don't tell me they didn't have a choice. They had players who were at least good enough for the G-League. According to you, anybody should have been better than him.

I don't understand why you're not a GM for an NBA team, Triple-A. Or at least a G-League team.

I don't know if you think you're coming off as edgy, but it's lame.

DAF linked a thread that kept track of his numbers for that season you're talking about. He was awful there. He played more minutes because he was surprisingly more healthy than most of the Magic's rotation (surprising because he only play 69 games himself). His impact numbers have him as the worst rotation player on the team besides Bismack. Shilling for Simmons is one of the most ridiculous hills to die on. It wasn't great two years ago, but after seeing him fall apart and fall out of the league, it's indefensible.

And yes, he wasn't a great d-league player. https://www.basketball-reference.com...immojo02d.html

He was above-average when he had a smaller role on offense but dropped to below average once he took on a bigger role (playing PG, as one of the coaches described it) the next season. Average is fine for that level, but you expect NBA players to be elite To put it into perspective, Chimezie Metu is a better d-league player than Simmons was. Someone like Keldon, Samanic or even Forbes as a d-leaguer are just on a different level.

[Chinook]

all i know is when kawhi went down simmons was the only one out there ballin' during those PO's. i would've rather kept him back then then a few others who showed no heart whatsoever. not saying it would've panned out for the best interest of the spurs though but i saw nothing but scrubs when kawhi went down except for simmons.

Simmons didn't actually play well in that series though. He just played "a lot". He scored 15 ppg, but he used 17 possessions to get those points. He was minus-66 in a series where the Spurs were minus-64. Obviously, I don't blame him for the series loss or anything like that. He just wasn't really helping when he was on the floor the way people remember. He was able to guard Draymond, though, so he would have had some use against GS by letting the Spurs get away with Leonard on KD and Green on Curry. They didn't get the chance, but that would have been an interesting adjustment the team could have made later in the series.