Good point; but Pop won’t be here for long. Maybe a couple more years. But even with Pop here and being the boss, influence is a big part of a GM role. Being able to have a legit voice, stand up for yourself and influence decision makers while pooling knowledge and advice.
The Spurs probably traded for DDR because he was the closest thing they could find to a guaranteed 20 ppg average. On that much, they were right. DDR will give you 20 ppg. That's the upside. PATFO must have thought they could handle the downside. We now know they couldn't.
He seems broke. Maybe it should have been someone with synovial fluid
, I forgot RC was no longer the GM. WTF kind of reason for optimism is there if Buford's not making draft picks any more?
Tin Man Carroll signing is wasted. He damn near can’t jump.
Well, while that is true, when you have a team that is trying to win now, you can’t just settle. Results business and Carroll not only isn’t very good, but he’s not even in the rotation on a bad team. That’s a big fat fail at this point.
I'm more concerned with the CEO of Spurs Entertainment, who's been around longer and had much more say over the years about what this roster looks like, tbh.
Specifically, I haven't heard him come out and address the distinctive lack of quality of the product the Spurs have been putting on the floor and what is his team, Brian included, thinking for the long term that might get fans excited.
Spurs used to love vets.u know somethings wrong when pop wont play the old guys
Spurs used to love vets.u know somethings wrong when pop wont play the old guys
To be fair about Carroll, he was a 2 year deal initially, then had to be changed on the fumbled Morris move, and now it looks like a terrible deal.
Carroll looked good on paper for the team, after last year where they severely lacked wing defenders. They swung a missed on a mid level free agent. They did that even during the championship years (Steve Smith, Nick Van Exel, Finley arguably, etc.).
The DeMar trade was the best they could get at the time. Everyone knows the contracts to Mills and Gasol were the start of the implosion of the franchise, not unloading the star who wouldnt even be in the same city with the team, much less play a game for them, for peanuts. The only offers were Celtics and Lakers trash, and perhaps some teams offers with picks. The FO wanted to remain compe ive, and went with a marketable star who Pop thought he could improve. 3 years later, dude hasn't improved. But they didn't know that then, and you can't pin it all on the GM.
I didnt like the signing to begin with but everyone here was loving his grit earlier
Clippers offer with multiple picks?
About DeRozan, all I want to hear from insiders is that if the Spurs preferred to send him to Canada to spite him (which backfired terribly) than take a better package from the Lakers or another team.
To be fair also, looking at this roster, DeRozan and Poetl are far, far away from the biggest problems.
We aren’t the GM. We aren’t judged on the result. They are. Being ok with Carroll as a fan is not the same as them seeing that as enough for this team to come into the season with.
Let me also add about Carroll that he got doghoused early on, and we still don't know why. I don' think he's a great player at this point in his career, but I also don't think he's a terrible player either.
Results are important yes, but if you're replacing Bertans with Morris, Carroll, and a returning Murray then I think that's really building on the playoff team from last year. Obviously Morris did what he did and everything else hasn't panned out. Carroll's last two seasons in Brooklyn he was a productive 3&D starter playing 25-30 minutes a night and shooting 4-5 threes a game at a decent rate. He hasn't been productive at all this year but he hasn't really gotten the opportunity to be. I would bet that he'll be a part of the rotation next season and probably an effective player.
derozan has already been here three years
IMO Carroll looked awful in preseason. He can’t dribble, he’s so slow and it’s not like he’s shooting lights out.
sup my dude. good discussion.
That description would also apply to Beli, for example, and he doesn't have anywhere near the defensive chops. Why does Beli plays, and not Carroll? Who knows? Is that on Brian, I don't think so.
Spurs fo is clearly at fault
On the other hand, we had awfully long extended looks at Fathead or Bryn Forbes, and we shouldn't judge based on the result of those bad gambles?
I can't pin that on Brian either, mostly on the previous GM.
He will be traded IMO. SA is blowing this up.
Carroll‘s feet are stuck to the ground. He is creaky. Best I can tell he is getting by on guile.
Spurs need a dude his size who has more game.
He is a bad signing. He may be hurt-back maybe cause that is how he moves-like his back is stiff
For sure, but that is chicken/egg? We know Beli isn’t good and it’s definitely not on Wright. But it is on Wright that Beli/Carroll are the options and that Carroll isn’t so good that he for sure has a rotation spot when the team coming into the year obviously and desperately needed a roster upgrade.
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