Shooting in Batman premiere?

[Clipper Nation]

Oh, yes, because that proves bombs don't detonate as designed. I keep forgetting

Don't even bother, he thinks extrapolating from single isolated incidents convinces anyone that the Second Amendment ought to be revoked....

[CuckingFunt]

I would never go to a midnight movie. Nor go to a MiniMart, Get n' Go at 3am. You are asking for trouble.

No one going to a movie is asking to be shot. Doesn't matter the movie or the time of day.

Who'd have ever imagined by page 5 the discussion would be where it is now

Anyone who's ever read a thread on SpursTalk ever.

Um...when SHOULD we politicize it?

When is it okay to say "Guns are way too ing lethal to let the general public have and leads scores of innocent people getting murdered when theyre at the movie theater, supermarket or even school?"

Because youre certainly not allowed to say it immediately following the incidents themselves.

You should never politicize it. There's a difference between having a tragic incident inspire thoughtful dialog and politicizing that incident.

Thoughtful dialog: What do our current gun control laws encourage or make possible? What are the ramifications of our becoming an increasingly detached and cynical society? Would stricter gun control laws be enough to slow or stifle an instinct toward violence? Etc.

Politicizing a tragic incident: If we had stricter gun control laws, this specific person wouldn't have been able to shoot these specific people. If we allowed more people to carry weapons, this specific person could have been stopped before he killed so many of these specific people.

And enough with this he must have a 'mental' issue, cannot it not be that some people just enjoy this ?

Not necessarily, apparently he was on his way to a ph.d before he dropped out.
Obviously these 'mental problems' didn't hinder him planning it, it was obviously premeditated with the tear gas, being dressed in all black & big guns, I doubt an insane person would be capable of devising a plan of that sort.

I don't think you know what "insane" means or what "mental problems" can entail. Plenty of people who are insane or have psychological disorders are intelligent, fully functioning, and seemingly perfectly normal.

THIS.... ultimately, the biggest problem with gun crime isn't the guns, it's the ed-up individuals using them, and that mentality doesn't change if they use a knife or a sword or any other weapon instead....

I'm intentionally not weighing in on the gun control argument because I've already had it plenty of times around here, but I have to disagree with your last bit. Knives and swords are much more up close and personal, much more visceral, and I'd be willing to guess that a lot of people who've summoned the courage to shoot someone else likely wouldn't have been able to get up close and stabby. Your point is a lot more believable if we're talking about complete nutters and sociopaths, but it's doubtful the majority of gun crime is perpetrated by complete nutters.

[ClingingMars]

Who'd have ever imagined by page 5 the discussion would be where it is now

you expected anything less? gun control nuts get a hard on for these horrific events

RIP Jessica

[Koolaid_Man]

Not trying to be insensitive but imagine what the people if Syria is going through..even the Palestinians...people in the US are sheltered from everyday reality for most people.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Because a gun is infinitely more lethal than a knife.

So you die a more deathly death with contoured steel coming at you at a high rate of speed as opposed to sharpened steel coming at you at a lower rate of speed. I see. Makes total sense......

[jag]

If I have a clean record I can buy what I need to defend myself and I don't need a weapon powerful enough to bring down an elephant.

You apparently don't know anything about Class III weapons and how they are regulated.

[da_suns_fan]

you expected anything less? gun control nuts get a hard on for these horrific events

RIP Jessica

The audacity to bring up gun control when 12 people get killed by a gun.

[VBM]

No. If someone has me cornered and it sending lead my way, I'm sending it back. I'll debrief afterward and apologize to the family of anyone who wasn't carrying.

True, and if another person with heat saw bullets coming from your direction, you'll have two people shooting at you instead of one. I'm on the side of having a gun, I'm just saying in this specific instance, multiple people packing would have probably meant way more casualties.

[Blake]

No, it was a stupid responsePERIOD

How does the baby fend for itself anywhere?

You were the one that said the gunman goes after the weakest.

What age do you think kids are old enough to where they are physically able to defend themselves with a gun?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

if only the weak, three month old baby had been armed to protect himself.

Stupid

Well ing said.

Stupider

Yes. I know....

[Clipper Nation]

I'm intentionally not weighing in on the gun control argument because I've already had it plenty of times around here, but I have to disagree with your last bit. Knives and swords are much more up close and personal, much more visceral, and I'd be willing to guess that a lot of people who've summoned the courage to shoot someone else likely wouldn't have been able to get up close and stabby. Your point is a lot more believable if we're talking about complete nutters and sociopaths, but it's doubtful the majority of gun crime is perpetrated by complete nutters.

When Britain banned handguns, knife crime went up, suggesting that many criminals who would otherwise use guns had no problem getting up close and stabby, tbh.....

[da_suns_fan]

Gun advocates care about the victims, but not enough to be willing to give up their guns.

They just dont have the guts to SAY IT.

[ClingingMars]

The audacity to bring up gun control when 12 people get killed by a gun.

wouldn't have changed a goddamn thing you idiot

[Ron Popeil]

Guns! Guns! Guns!

[da_suns_fan]

Guns vs. bombs, swords, swimming pools (my favorite), cars etc.

1). Guns are easy to conceal. Cant kill a room of crowded people with a car. You could try to just ram through the walls but it probably wouldnt work. Likewise, couldnt really walk into a theater with a sword. Peeps would say "thats a sword".

2) Guns are a projectile, unlike a sword. Can kill from a safe distance. Dude last night killed 12 and injured 30 others and walked right out. If he tried that with a sword, he'd probably be tackled after his first swing.

3) Guns are an aimed projectile, so youre not likely to kill yourself shooting someone (as opposed to bomb).

4) Guns requires little to zero training. Dude at the gun shop will show you how to load and fire. No years of training needed (as was suggested with the sword). Unless you want to spend years training as a ninja, guns are the way to go.

5) Guns require zero assembly. They come pre-assembled. Dont need to teach yourself how to make them lethal (as opposed to FERTILIZER). Theyre made to be lethal.

6) Guns work. Bombs are messy and often dont work. Just ask underwear bomber, new years day bomber etc. Even Hitler survived a bomb being detonated in his bunker.

7) Guns allow error. You get one shot with a bomb. Probably one swing with a sword.

Bumping my own post.

[da_suns_fan]

wouldn't have changed a goddamn thing you idiot

Says who?

[IronMaxipad]

WCBS reporter: Colorado shooting suspect had "hair painted red," said he was "the joker" - law enforcement source

KMGH: Source says shooting suspect "bought a ticket, watched first 15-20 minutes of movie."

KMGH: Source says shooting suspect walked out side door where car was parked, retrieved weapons.

KMGH: Source - After Holmes decided he had shot enough people, he walked outside where police were waiting.

KMGH: Source - Holmes walked out of the theater, saw police, put up his hands.

[Clipper Nation]

Gun advocates care about the victims, but not enough to be willing to give up their guns.

They just dont have the guts to SAY IT.

The audacity of someone who has spent the last few pages using a senseless tragedy to push an agenda attacking other people's character is mind-blowing, tbh.....

[Spurs da champs]

I don't think you know what "insane" means or what "mental problems" can entail. Plenty of people who are insane or have psychological disorders are intelligent, fully functioning, and seemingly perfectly normal.

I'm going by the 'insanity' defense where the defendant claims to be unaware of their actions due to their mental state of mind, obviously he wasn't it was all planned with tear gas, suit, gas mask & gun.

[silverblk mystix]

The problem goes a lot deeper than guns/gun control.

No one has mentioned the games and movies that do nothing but desensitize kids to killing and shooting and blowing up . That is probably another thread to argue for pages upon pages.

No one has mentioned (and no one really cares anymore) about how people/kids are programmed from birth to be unhappy and programmed to believe that the only way to be happy is to acquire stuff, achieve les,seek approval, and to compete with the world to get over-even if it means destroying others.

This tragedy isn't only about guns. It is just a small part of everything else that goes into why a person decides to make someone else pay for their own unhappiness.

This killer will now go to a correctional ins ute where he will cry and sue that his rights are being violated because he is not getting ____ ____ & ____ while incarcerated. Some wellrespected attorney will win some landmark case representing one of these winners, garnering millions in damages because the cons ution assures these killers of their rights.

[jag]

Gun advocates care about the victims, but not enough to be willing to give up their guns.

They just dont have the guts to SAY IT.

There are good arguments to be made for varying degrees of gun control. You don't appear to be the best at communicating those arguments.

[Chachachango]

Wow, Cant believe she was taken away from this world. Such a great person and her future seemed so bright.

RIP Jessie.

[da_suns_fan]

There are good arguments to be made for varying degrees of gun control. You don't appear to be the best at communicating those arguments.

Yeah, while Ive read pages of how cars, knives and even swimming pools are just as dangerous as a gun.

[Clipper Nation]

No one has mentioned the games and movies that do nothing but desensitize kids to killing and shooting and blowing up .

Because that's another dumb argument in the same vein as the gun control argument.... there are ratings systems for both movies and video games for families to follow, and there are plenty of people who play violent video games and watch violent movies yet never carry out a mass murder in their life....

If someone actually comes away from a violent video game or movie thinking that they have to kill a bunch of innocent people, they have serious mental problems beyond a video game or a movie....

[jag]

Yeah, while Ive read pages of how cars, knives and even swimming pools are just as dangerous as a gun.

There have also been some thoughtful and insightful posts that you have been unable to respond to, or just purposefully ignored.