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Man, I really like the sound of Marco from that article, and Rudy, both sound great. Although I havnt seen any of Rudy, Marco looked great in this last years Olympics, and his youtubes vids are great
Thanks for that.
Man, I really like the sound of Marco from that article, and Rudy, both sound great. Although I havnt seen any of Rudy, Marco looked great in this last years Olympics, and his youtubes vids are great
To get Brewer, I'd give all that and the left nut. Problem is, I think he goes top 10 (especially with that game against UCLA) and I don't see the Spurs putting enough together to get that far up.
But if the Spurs got Brewer, there'd be no need for Byars.
Rudy was shooting lights out earlier in the year, but he's had a less-than-impressive Euroleague playoff run and I think that might hurt his stock. He also has buyout concerns, and injury concerns (a la Manu w/ the skinny frame and hard style of play). I think he still goes first round, but these are my reasons to think he has the potential to slip on draft day.
Bring on El Contusion Numero Dos!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXAucLSrYv8
Pretty sweet Rudy vid, but I still like Marco a lot. He reminds me of Manu quite a bit
I'm also a fan of McGuire and his gaudy 9.8 rebound/game average. If you're gonna go small-ball, you might as well do it right!
He had 13 or more rebounds 9 times last year, and 4 plus blocks 15 times, including on Dec. 30th against San Diego, where he had 14 points, 14 boards, 10 blocks, 4 assists, and a steal. What a beast
If McGuire is so awesome, why is he projected by some as late as the early second round?
It's only really one season of data, his production is nearly double what it was before his transfer (why?), he played at Fresno St. and not some big-time program, and he's got limited range on his jumper...especially out to three-point range.
He is what he is...a very athletic defensive-minded combo Forward with good potential, but needs considerable work on the offensive end.
What I like about him is his versatility (ability to play small-ball 4), defense, and rebounding...but I admit he'd probably go on the Stephen Jackson plan.
Would any team take something along the lines of Bonner, Beno, and Spurs 1st rounder for their own top 10 pick? I'd love to have someone like Brewer, who's ready to step in and contribute.
No. Bonner and Beno are essentially worthless in terms of trading up in the draft. Bonner won't even be under contract, anyway.
Getting into the top 10 is likely impossible, which is where Brewer will be. But the Spurs' first, their Milwaukee pick, plus Scola, might be able to get them into the late teens.
Brewer would be ing incredible as a Spur, but alas will be out of range.
yes. but some weeks ago it looked as if there could be a chance, if Spurs trade up AND he slips because of a bad tournament and they meet between 15 and 20.
now we know that no other player has helped his stock as much as Brewer in the tournament, he is now ranked as a sure top 10 pick.
my prediction is, that the Blazers pick him with their (currently) no.7 pick. it just makes to much sense.
the Blazers have a very nice young line up and despite the number of SFs on their roster, a quality (starting calibre) defensive minded SF is the missing piece alongside Jack-Roy-Zach-Aldridge.
Brewer could be exactly what they once hoped Miles would be.
I would be very surprised if the Blazers pass on Brewer.
(but if they did, Seattle at 8 might be next in line)
to answer the question: yes I would give every pick + Scola rights + Mahinmi rights for Brewer anytime. but unfortunatly even this won't do it.
our realistic best case scenario will be the mentioned Derrick Byars. it is interesting, that his rankings in the mock are very different. some see him as a mid 1st rounder, some even as a 2nd rounder.
so it is hard to predict, if it would be necessary to trade up to get him. (I think it would be, he should go in the early 20ies). but some teams will pass on him, because they doubt his athleticismn and don't give so much value to the intangibles. Spurs do as we know and Spurs also are not sold on athleticismn in the first place.
I still don't think that we should sacrifice Buck's 2nd rounder to trade up.
if Spurs try to trade up, they should offer next years 1st rounder + 2nd rounder (this year or future).
right now I can see a best case scenario of Spurs getting Byars with the 1st rounder and McGuire with the Buck's 2nd rounder.
if we can't get Byars with the 1st rounder, there is a good chance we get McGuire with that pick. he would provide the athleticismn and size, so the other pick could be Afflalo or Tucker. or the best big who is there (Visser, Davis, Fazekas?)
some weeks ago I mentioend that I think the best chance to trade up might be a trade with the Bobcats for the Raptor's 1st rounder. (currently no.22).
they don't have a 2nd rounder, so for them the Buck's pick might be intriguing, because they might want to get a Euro and be able to decide if they bring him during the summer, when they have learned how all their other contracts have turned out.
(Wallace, Brezec have player options, 5 contracts expire and Knight has a team option the Bobcats likely won't use)
if they pick 22 or 28 in the first round doesn't make much difference for them, but adding another option with a 2nd rounder helps them regarding all the repleacements.
the other scenario is Philly and the Denver pick (currently no.18).
Philly might be quite interested in the Scola rights, since a PF is their major need. of course, at no.6 they will find still lot's of PF talent (at least one out of the group Wright, Horford, Noah and Jianlian will be there), but that doesn't say they didn't need another PF. (Smith contract expires and Randolph isn't really a great option). if they pick let's say Jianlian, a PF with a different skill set like Scola, would make sense.
this would be a scenario all should like.
Philly get's a top prospect with their own pick + Scola and still has two more picks in the 1st round to work with (back-up PG, long SF).
Spurs will find a very good player at 18 (Byars will be there, but maybe also Nick Young or Rudy Fernandez) and still keep the Buck's 2nd rounder.
^^ MB, if the Spurs manage to trade up to the late teens or early 20s and don't pick up more than a guy who could be had at 33 (Byars), I'll be disappointed. I like the other suggestions of Fernandez or Young....also throw in Belinelli, Rush, and Thaddeus Young if they declare.
On Byars, he certainly helped himself out in the draft, but according to Chad Ford, he's not the first-round pick the most in this forum think...even with the strong tourney showing. NBAdraft.net is the only mock that shows him in the lottery and I believe the only one that shows him in the first round at all. He could be had with the Milwakee pick if the Spurs really wanted to get him.
Below is the quote from Chad's latest article...
it's what I tried to point, few other players are ranked so different like he is. maybe the scenario to trade up to get him is a reach, maybe he would fall to our 1st rounder. I tried to point, that Spurs might like him more, than other teams, because he meets so many of the Spurs team policies.
but I really don't think that he will fall to 2nd round. IMO that's underrating him.
(agree that nbadraft.net is overrating him. I would see him around 25)
I couldnt agree with you more, its the Josh Howard thing all over a again. A senior, that was the player of the year in his conference, and now teams wonder if he was so good why he stayed and all of that. And I really dont know where he got his un athletic rep, he is very athletic, especially on the defensive side. He has a great finisher, good shooter, he is a great defender, his teamates love him, great leader, decent ball handling skills, and wouldnt let his team lose when he had the oppurtunity. Remember, they probably should have beat the Hoyas, and a good reason why was Byars d and clutch shooting down the stretch. I wouldnt ever disagree with the all-knowing Forde, but I dont really like his scouting on this one. If he is there, we will take him and he will be able to contribute next year. He is very smart and comes from a smart system, he would be able to pick up Pops system quicker than most rooks I think
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On Byars, both DX and ESPN say it will take some good performances at pre-draft camps/workouts to solidify him in the first round....so it doesn't sound to me like 2nd round is underrating him.
I see your point, though, that he's got the intangibles and the all-around game to be a "glue guy" on a championship calibur team picking in the late first round. Alando Tucker is in that same "glue guy" mold. Either would be nice, but both should be available in the late first, early second.
I like Byars more than Tucker a lot, he is 2 or 3 inches taller than Tucker, and can shoot outside and hit his free throws
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...cks/index.html
Article of players who most improved and hurt their stock from SI.com, Byars is like the 10th guy mentioned
Last edited by mardigan; 04-03-2007 at 01:48 PM.
Rodney Stuckey and Gabe Pruitt as combo guards are intriguing, would fit in immediately as backups to both positions and hedge any possible trades of Udrih or Barry....
Looks like Jason Smith, the F/C largely compared to Troy Murphy will evaluate his draft stock. Another prospect to make the draft deeper...nice!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2...ory?id=2824121
I assume he's going to commit if he gets indications that he'd be a first round pick, because he doesn't have anything to prove by going back to Colorado State for one more year. He's an intriguing prospect because he has the range of guys like Nick Fazekas/Ryan Anderson, but is more athletic, taller, and has the ability to add more weight.
I really was surprised by the play of Chris Richards from Florida. He's way down the DX draft list. He's only 6'8" and 255 PF but looks like he plays bigger. His shooting was great for a big man although a lot came from offensive rebounds (me likee offensive rebounder with good hands)
For some reason he reminded me of a shorter Moses Malone. The same relentless drive to rebound maybe. And I guess he sorta looks like him. I know this isn't a priority but somebody gonna get a good sleeper in Richards.
Update on Scola...8pts 9rebs in 20 minutes. Tau beat Olympiakos 84-59.
Richards is a guy I also noticed. Udonis Haslem was a beefy Florida guy, too.
After all the shuffling around and underclassmen entries, I notice that DX now has us passing on Fazekas, the 7' center from Nevada and going for Almond, the SG from Rice in the first round.
And they also have McGuire in the second round. Man if we went for a SG instead of McGuire, I think that would be a mistake.
Someone on this forum told me the projections were based on talent, not need.
This was from Bill Simmons, who is giddy the Celtics have sucked long enough they might actually get Durant or Oden (I hope not, for those players' sakes). Some nice thoughts on Manu, whom the Sports Guy usually hates, although he has the strange idea Brewer will be a SG.The other winner last night: Corey Brewer, who emerged this month as the most intriguing draft prospect other than Kevin Durant. My buddy House and I spent a few minutes on the phone last night trying to find the right comparison for a 6-foot-8, 190-pound guard who's unlike anyone in the NBA right now -- ultimately, we settled on a 6-foot-8 Ricky Davis, only if you surgically implanted Manu Ginobili's brain in Ricky's head. Why Manu? Because of his open-court play and penchant for sneaking away from his man to cause turnovers. Because of the way he rises to the occasion in bigger games. Because of the deadly three-point shooting. And especially, because of the unconventional angles that Brewer takes when he's driving to the basket.
If you want to get technical about it, he's the player we always wanted Todd Day to be. And since he's a better athlete and defender than Manu, and since he's a winner and all, the question remains ... why isn't Corey Brewer being considered for a top-five spot in this draft? Is there a chance he could make a Ben Gordon-type leap as we get closer and closer to end of June, and the lottery teams realize, "Wait, why are we killing ourselves trying to figure out who's better between Noah, Horford and Hibbert ... why don't we just take Corey Brewer?"
Meanwhile, I'll be eating my heart out knowing Brewer will never be a Spur. Not even our first round, the Milwaukee pick, Scola, the rest of the roster, and several future first round picks will get him.
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