they couldnt help it that RJ turned out to be a bust, but they are CERTAINLY responsible for dumping/benching big after big so that 'black hole' bonner and finley can retain roster spots. there have been ways to help bolster our defense, especially interior to help duncan, but they had ZERO interest in doing that.
well, we got two good young peices in Blair and HIll, If we do have a collapse we will get lottery draft picks for a year or two and well be right back in the mix in a few years after that. Especially when Duncan and Parker's contracts come off the books. So who knows?
Chicago Bulls traded away John Salmons and 2 2nd rd picks (2011 & 2012) + a the right to swap 1st round picks in 2010 to milwaukee for 2 expiring contracts - Hakeem Warrick and Joe Alexander.
Salmons is better than any of our wings after Ginobili, Hill, and maybe Jefferson... Moving say Mason and Finley for him, and only taking 1 second rounder back would have been a good deal. Mason and Finley's bird rights are useless to us, as we don't want them back. The downside would likely have been more salary next year. If need be, add Mahinmi, who Pop apparently won't play...
There's no question that we have two good, young pieces in both Blair and Hill. And we're glad to have them. However, they cannot help turn it around alone. The Spurs could've had a young, energetic, athletic, PF today, if they would've sealed the deal.
I was actually wondering if this might mean they realized they made a mistake by not picking up his option, and hope to resign him in the offseason. They realized after the time they've spent developing him, coupled with seeing what they deem suitable progress on the court, that it would be a huge loss to let him walk. So now they have no choice but to keep his newly developed skills under wraps...its not like they could play him but tell him not to play too well.
Or perhaps I just need to pass what I'm smoking
On the Spur website it just mentions a protected 2nd round pick but I assume you know what you are saying about the other qualifiers (top 55 in 2016)
What is a protected top 55 2nd round pick? Does that mean if the Bobcats are in the lottery in 2016 we don't get their second round pick?
Who thinks these convoluted deals up? I have a picture of Pop saying something like, "we'll trade you Ratliff for a second round pick" and Larry Brown saying, "no we'll make it a protected top 55 second rounder or the deal's off."
you cant trade a player for nothing. so you include a protected pick that will never actually be sent to the other team. twolves did the same when we dumped beno on them. same when denver dumped camby on the clippers.
Howabout you do something besides lick Pop and RC's taint for turning $23 million in expiring salaries into a non-existent 2016 second round draft pick?
Newsflash: We are not and never will be a premier free agent destination. The only way this franchise can reload/rebuild is via luck in the draft and trades.
They just pissed away a golden trade deadline while teams like Houston turned contractual dog into Kevin Martin and two first round draft picks (and potential lotto picks at that).
You know things are bleak when I am in complete agreement with AHF and Obstructed_View
Perhaps: They know they need to rebuild, and tried to make trades to accomplish that, but got outbid everywhere they called.
I guess the next thing to look for would be the starting lineup in tomorrow's game, and then who gets waived at the deadline (Spurs players included)
This was supposed to be the season to have expirings: teams want money to expire for the Lebronstakes. And the Spurs got...what will probably become nothing. When was the last time they traded for a conditional pick and got something from it? They didn't even use Beno's TE when they had that.
What a ing dissapointing season so far. If it wasnt for Dejuan Blair, the season would be a total bore and letdown.
The Spurs couldnt even pull off a minor trade. I think they really tried, but other teams just had better offers.
It's a very intriguing question? What are their intentions for Ian?
Now granted, I make no secret of the fact that I'm intrigued by the guy's skills and will not be convinced that he can't play until I see it for myself. I do like the little that I've seen so far. That said, I'm very pleased that it was Ratliff traded and not Ian. I hope he has a future here. I just don't know what the FO's intentions are.
If the Spurs could of gotten Thomas for a combination expiring contracts, 2nd round pick, then thats great, but I wouldn't trade a 1st rounder for em, so I'm glad the Spurs didn't get Thomas. Yes, hes young, athletic,and a good defender, but stop and think about the reason why the Bulls would anxiously want to get rid of a top 5 pick with all that talent just after a few years. Unfair or not, Thomas has a reputation as a knucklehead and the only way I would of taken him would have been to get him on the cheap.
Yep, Hill growing too has made it a little better! Sides that and Timmays normal play this year has been a complete nightmare from what fans thought it was be! WE thought this was a 60 win top two or three seed team and we were backInstead we get pummeled 4 times by Utah of all teams (We owned them too) and Portland beats us three times etc., we are getting PUMMELED by teams we used to beat just last year.
This year is horrible, if it does not get better I will have a bitter taste in my mouth all summer long.
Couldn't agree with you more, but it sure would interesting to see what kind of personnel moves ST's armchair GMs would make to imrove the Spurs, since Pop and RC have no clue.
Thomas certainly had issues with the coach and, according to stuff I read about him, had a few episodes of immature behavior. However, let's not be so quick to extrapolate those episodes over his entire, short career. Let's also not be so quick to label him as J.R. Smith or Nate Robinson. If you've read some of the accounts from Bulls fans on this site, they've claimed that that kid is coachable and would fare well in a stable and strong environment.
That said, the reason Thomas was made expendable was Taj Gibson. It wasn't until Thomas sustained an injury and Gibson took his spot, did we hear of those issues cropping up. This isn't to excuse Thomas at all. I just know the Spurs were intrigued by Thomas for well over a year. Given the average age of the Spurs roster and seeing as how other Western Conference teams made themselves better, the Spurs are in no position to thumb their noses at young, developing talent.
Of course, the FO would've been stupid to overpay for the kid. However, seeing as what Charlotte eventually offered, it's tough for me to believe the Spurs couldn't have matched those assets.
I guess well find out if Thomas's career takes off in Charlotte. I find it kinda ironic though that Larry Brown is the coach there. How many times now has Brown completely teared up a roster, trade away picks, and all of a sudden just leave after a couple seasons?
I'd be surprised by two things.
1. If Thomas is still on the roster by next Feb's trade deadline
2. If Larry Brown makes it through the summer.
I thought people were kidding about the protected 2016 second round pick in exchange for Theo. Wow! Well maybe Ian will get some more playing time.
I thought that was a joke too. WTF? A second-round pick six years from now? Are you kidding me? That franchise may not even exist in six years.
2016? Perhaps Charlotte's just hoping that the Spurs will have forgotten about the deal by the time they have to pay up.
Oh, and bonus: we will have 54 million tied up in 7 players next year, and that's without even picking up the phone to talk to Manu about an extension. Capped out with 5 roster spots still to fillYou know things are bleak when I am in complete agreement with AHF and Obstructed_View
Yep, pretty ing outstanding work by the front office this week on the trade front
But Tfart will still be along to tell us all how great Pop and RC did
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