Five RJ's trade ideas

[suitedkings]

Only problem i see if Bonner is only in one of these trades.

[NewJerSpur]

4) RJ to nets for Outlaw ($28M/ 4 years) and Petro ($6.8M/2 years).
Outlaw has a less worst contract than RJ so Spurs had also to take Petro.

5)RJ and the 29th pick to Phoenix for Josh Childress ($27M/ 4 years) and Gani Lawal (min ungaranteed contract).
Both players would be a better fit with their new team.

Bruno doing work,

I like those trades in that order. Outlaw was nothing particularly special in NJ this year but he's a long 3 (which we've all been looking for for some time) that would work in rotation with Anderson and can even play the 4 if we're forced to go small. The guy has crazy athleticism and great range in his jumpeer 9and isn't scared to shoot, unlike RJ). Funny enough, around the time when trade talks were being discussed before we got Jefferson in the offseason I remember feeling stronger about him than RJ even though both were thrown out there as possible pickups.

I think Childress could be a nice piece/fit similar to what Bruce Bowen turned out to be for Spurs coming from Miami where he flew under the radar. He's akward on offense (especially his jumper) but he hustles and isn't scared to attack the rim (unlike RJ).

Thanks for breaking down the numbers as always Bruno.

[HarlemHeat37]

I would trade Jefferson for anything, at this point, but only the Charlotte trade would actually improve the Spurs, as a team..

[Bruno]

And I agre with people liking more trades for Otulaw and Childress. These are my favorites too. If Spurs to a trade for Outlaw, I hope they can do it without taking back Petro even if it costs the 29th pick.

Bruno, would you move on if the Spurs traded Parker? Just curious if you are a Tony fan or a Spurs fan or both..........

Parker isn't even my favorite Spur.

[diego]

I like the suns trade, and also it would be nice to get gortat from them too. Maybe they could use Dyess expiring + bonner + blair or hill to get it done.

[TheSpurglar]

3rd trade - The Spurs would do it in a heartbeat, but i think the Warriors would not. I think they could do better than that if they have the intention to trade Biedrins.

I live in the Bay Area, watch a lot of Warriors basketball, and Andris Biedrins is either a terrible basketball player, or a basketball player that doesn't like basketball very much. It's hard to decide which. I'm not saying the Spurs wouldn't do the trade, but I wouldn't be happy about it at all.

[Ocotillo]

Parker isn't even my favorite Spur.

Good deal, I enjoy your posts and would hate to lose you from the forum.

[Stump]

I like the suns trade, and also it would be nice to get gortat from them too. Maybe they could use Dyess expiring + bonner + blair or hill to get it done.

We're not getting Gortat from them.

[outmap]

1st trade - Unless Tim opts out and sign for less, this highly unlikely. Be if they can pull it off somehow, I'd sheep brix!

2nd trade - If you don't like Bonner, you'd hate CV. The guy has the worst shot selection on that team and as bad a defender Bonner is.

3rd trade - The only way the Warriors do this is if they can get another big in the draft or use their MLE on a big.

4th trade - A bad contract for a bad contract, fair. The Nets would do this and might worth a gamble for us or them. 50/50 ball trade.

5th trade - Phoenix won't do this. They will have more playing time for Childress now that Hill and Carter is a FA.


I'd like to prioritize the CHA trade, that would be sweet. The NJN trade would be a gamble but I'd rather gamble on Outlaw than RJ.

[pancakechef]

THIS STILL DOES NOT HELP US.

People on here are clueless. WE DONT NEED A STOPPER. WE NEED A SCORER. And HAVING A SCORER DOESNT MATTER WHEN POP THINKS WE STILL HAVE TO PLAY 1930s pick and roll every play from the top of the key.

If Pop is dedicated on a half court tempo game like he tried to do in the Playoffs this year then we need the best scoring/defending center: howard.

Jefferson/Parker/Splitter for Howard and Turk.

Then pop could play his BS half court stall ball and still lose.

WTF happened to if I dont win a ring with this group I should get fired.... someone push his overrated behind out the door.

[outmap]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=3hudfhr

CHA doesn't like Jackson and Thomas, in fact, they tried to trade them first before Wallace. Unfortunately for them, no one wants those two.
But We Do! So Do It RC!

[NewJerSpur]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=3hudfhr

CHA doesn't like Jackson and Thomas, in fact, they tried to trade them first before Wallace. Unfortunately for them, no one wants those two.
But We Do! So Do It RC!

Always liked Thomas from a few years back and even more so now that he has a jumpshot and it has range.

[objective]

My take on these trades:

I want Stephen Jackson, but I don't know how realistic the proposal is. I would be fine with the Spurs including Blair and Hill with RJ plus a pick and whatever to get it done though. Just don't think it's realistic. In fact I would just assume that all these trades would be negotiable to include both Blair and Hill to get it done.

I can't imagine that the Nets would want RJ. The whole reason he opted out was because he thought they'd pay him big money before wasting it on guys just like Outlaw and Petro. If they had wanted him, they would have signed him. And that was before he had an even worse year this year.

Don't see the Pistons trade as possible, for reasons other have stated.

Don't think the Warriors is possible either. They junked Maggette who was much better than RJ at similar enough money. Why lose Biedrins just to get a much, much worse player than Dorrell Wright?

I likewise have doubts that Sarver would waste even more money on RJ than he's spending on the still better player like Childress. Millions more in total and millions more per year? Maybe with Hill and Blair thrown in.

However, an alternate trade that I do think could work precisely because of Sarver's cheapness would be this:

McDyess's retiring deal for Pietrus, provided that's workable under the CBA. I don't know if that's doable depending on how Pietrus's player option is on dates compared to McDyess's guarantee date.

Pietrus isn't great or even good, but I'd rather see his mediocre, disappointing play over RJ every game for the rest of time.

[TD 21]

Richard Jefferson has been, again, a huge disappointment this year. He ended his season with a 0 points in 10 minutes performance. Trading him should be a priority but he has a horrible contract ($30.5M/3 years).

Five realistic or, at least, semi-realistic, RJ's trade ideas:

1) RJ, Dice and the 29th pick to Charlotte for Stephen Jackson ($19.3M/2 years) and Diop ($14.3M/ 2 years).
Stephen Jackson is better than RJ and has a better contract, so Spurs must take Diop's contract and gave up the 29th pick to offset that.
Charlotte does this trade to create $7.3M in additional cap space for the 2012 summer.

2) 3 teams trade:
- Spurs trade RJ, Dice and Bonner for Rip Hamilton ($25M/ 2 years) and Charlie Villanueva ($24.2M/ 3years).
- Pacers trade James Posey ($7.6M/1 year) for Matt Bonner.
- Pistons trade Villanueva and Hamilton for RJ, Dice and James Posey.
Pacers get additional cap space for this summer and a backup PF.
Pistons saves some money and get $10.3M in 2012 cap space.

3) RJ and the 29th pick to Warriors for Andris Biedrins ($27M/3 years).
Both players have a similar contract and struggle with their current team.

4) RJ to nets for Outlaw ($28M/ 4 years) and Petro ($6.8M/2 years).
Outlaw has a less worst contract than RJ so Spurs had also to take Petro.

5)RJ and the 29th pick to Phoenix for Josh Childress ($27M/ 4 years) and Gani Lawal (min ungaranteed contract).
Both players would be a better fit with their new team.

There are some other options available but they are either less realistic or are really bad for Spurs.

The 1st one is by far the best. Jackson is not ideally what I'd want at the three, but he is clearly better than Jefferson and would bring the type of toughness and swagger this team desperately needs.

Diop is severely limited and overpaid, but I actually think he'd be a nice fit as the fifth big. He's exactly the type of big, wide bodied player they need to man the middle some against bigger front lines. He's a good post defender, offensive rebounder and shot blocker and still in his 20's.

The other thing I like about this trade is, they'd basically kill two birds with one stone and would only really need a third point to complete the roster.

The 2nd and 3rd ones I'd have no interest in. I'd consider the 4th and 5th ones (that's how desperate I am to see Jefferson traded, that I'd actually consider those).

As far as Biedrins, I'd have no interest. Yes, in theory he's a second big (he's struggled mightily the last few seasons) and is still young. But I see Splitter as a cheaper, more skilled version of him and two of those types aren't necessary.

[objective]

How about RJ and Bonner and #29 to Toronto for Kleiza and Calderon?

Wow, I'm really clutching at straws, aren't I?

Anyway, Toronto gets their favorite limited lottery-team role player Bonner back and . . . ugh, I got nothing. Maybe if Hill is thrown in?

Spurs get rid of their two biggest chokers, get a legit if horribly overpaid back-up point guard for one less year than RJ's contract and a marginal SF whose deal lasts as long as Bonner.

And Novak can step into Bonner's only useful role: never playing unless it's a situation that calls for a three.

[Josh810]

Richard Jefferson is trending on Twitter right now....random.

[MaNu4Tres]

How about RJ and Bonner and #29 to Toronto for Kleiza and Calderon?

[objective]

It's not great, but I'd rather have Calderon and Kleiza stinking it up than RJ and Bonner stinking it up worse. It's hard to dump a bucket of crap without getting some on your clothes, and that's where the Spurs are thanks to RJ.

ANOTHER TRADE

RJ for Hedo. Two awful contracts for declining, soft, cowardly players.

Hedo was probably even worse than RJ, which is amazing.

He was a choker when he was here, and he's now a fat, lazy choker. But I'd be tempted to do it. At least his final year isn't fully guaranteed.

[Nathan89]

However, an alternate trade that I do think could work precisely because of Sarver's cheapness would be this:

McDyess's retiring deal for Pietrus, provided that's workable under the CBA. I don't know if that's doable depending on how Pietrus's player option is on dates compared to McDyess's guarantee date.

Pietrus isn't great or even good, but I'd rather see his mediocre, disappointing play over RJ every game for the rest of time.

I think Pietrus is pretty damn good. If this was possible this would really improve the Spurs team. I doubt PHX would let him go just to save money...maybe they would that would bring their salary down and let them go after some free agent.

[objective]

I think Pietrus is pretty damn good. If this was possible this would really improve the Spurs team. I doubt PHX would let him go just to save money...maybe they would that would bring their salary down and let them go after some free agent.

Pietrus will be a 30 year old expiring contract role player who is at a position PHX has too much of. I don't know how much other demand there would be for him around the league; I could be wrong but I imagine only a team that is trying to hold cap room over a year or a fraud team that thinks they're contenders but are revolting at SF (like the Spurs) would be into him.

After PHX buys out Carter, they'll be near at the current cap after their lotto pick and cap holds if Brooks stays at 3 million. Dumping Pietrus for nothing doesn't offer them much cap room, but it's better than paying Pietrus, especially if Hill wants to come back.

[HarlemHeat37]

Pietrus is even worse than RJ at this point, tbh..

[Nathan89]

I've always thought Pietrus was better than Rj

[MI21]

Just thinking about Buckets in a Spurs uniform gets me all hot and bothered.

The guy would provide the arrogance, the nastiness, the clutch shooting and the perimeter defense the Spurs are missing. SJ is basically everything that Jefferson isn’t. I know it was a popular catch phrase back in 03, but SJ really is the anti-Spur.

Funnily enough, that’s something the Spurs have always needed on the team.

Never happen though.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

RJ isn't terrible, RJ is simply terrible in the Spurs system. Other teams aren't going to look at RJ's seasons with the Spurs and consider him a terrible player or a liability. To us Spurs fans, watching RJ & Bonner fail in the system has us frustrated and firm in believing they're terrible and nobody would want them, but I'm telling you that there's plenty of teams who saw Matt Bonner light it up from the 3pt, and want that floor stretching. & There's a team that wouldn't mind having RJ as a backup SF.

[20beastie45]

I wish!!!!!!!!!!