Bulls: lol the MJ coddling was ridiculous...

**Clipper Nation** · 05-17-2014

And yet the two added together doesn't have half the effect of defensive 3 seconds rule.

The combination of those rule changes and the foodstamps given to DK, which were the genesis of today's "superstar calls," absolutely did have a big effect on the league

**UZER** · 05-17-2014

Originally Posted by Capt Bringdown

Yes, remember that well. The fix was in.

That has been in the back of my mind all season with the LeBron Durant thing this year. Very similar.

**ambchang** · 05-17-2014

Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

The combination of those rule changes and the foodstamps given to DK, which were the genesis of today's "superstar calls," absolutely did have a big effect on the league

So today's superstars had the benefits of the rule changes made for Jordan plus the rules that were made to create the next Jordan and yet there still isn't one that could come close to Jordan.

Today's stars suck.

**Sean Cagney** · 05-17-2014

Originally Posted by lefty

This

Stern wanted Barkley vs MJ

And the Rockets got screwed at the end of game 7 vs Seattle.

The Rockets were a bad matchup for thr Bulls, and they wouls have destroyed Phoenix in the WCF

The Rockets whether down 3-1 or not always seemed to beat PHX! You are correct! I doubt they destroy them but they probably would have beaten them.

Originally Posted by UZER

That has been in the back of my mind all season with the LeBron Durant thing this year. Very similar.

You and I see the commercials, it's clear they want that to happen. I fear this series because of that, the Durant commercials and the refs on their side.

**littleavery1948** · 05-18-2014

Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

Well, if we're going to ignore all context by, for example, holding losing in the 2007 Finals against LeBron even though he dragged an atrocious Cleveland team there all by himself, then we can ignore the context of the NBA being a joke in Russell's era too.... by Jordan Jocker logic, 8 straight les > 6-0 in the Finals, so Russell > DK....

LeBron's two Finals losses are still a lot better than Dad Killer's THREE first-round losses, since LeBron at least made the Finals those years and has never lost in the first round

Michael Jordan never lost a series when he had home-court advantage. Boston in 86' and 87' and 59-win Milwaukee in 85' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any first round patsy that Lebron has played. In fact, I do not believe that any first round opponent Lebron's team played would have made the playoffs had that team been in the West (the Knicks went 36-30, same as the eight seed in the West in 2012). Lebron's teams played teams with 43 wins or fewer in every first round matchup. The Bulls frequently played teams with 47 or more wins. In 2007, the Cavs played the Nets and the Wizards, neither had a winning record, and would have missed the playoffs in the East. I will give the Cavs credit for beating the Pistons, who finished three games ahead of Cleveland. Lebron may have had a "bad team", but they didn't beat anyone who was much better (I predicted Cleveland to win that series). That being said, Jordan's teams early should have never made the playoffs (30 wins, WTF?).

Lebron is one of the greatest players ever; in my opinion, he is the most PHYSICALLY TALENTED player to ever play. He has the best basketball body the NBA has ever seen. Jordan was a prick, but he was great; his teams early on were horrid. The Heat are going to win again, and Lebron is going to add to his legacy. Unfortunately, that means no ESPN for Avery. I like Lebron; I respect his game; he is the best in the league by a large margin. However, I hate the Heat, and I further detest all of the riders. A few here want Lebron's in their mouths.

**sook** · 05-18-2014

Originally Posted by littleavery1948

Michael Jordan never lost a series when he had home-court advantage. Boston in 86' and 87' and 59-win Milwaukee in 85' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any first round patsy that Lebron has played. In fact, I do not believe that any first round opponent Lebron's team played would have made the playoffs had that team been in the West (the Knicks went 36-30, same as the eight seed in the West in 2012). Lebron's teams played teams with 43 wins or fewer in every first round matchup. The Bulls frequently played teams with 47 or more wins. In 2007, the Cavs played the Nets and the Wizards, neither had a winning record, and would have missed the playoffs in the East. I will give the Cavs credit for beating the Pistons, who finished three games ahead of Cleveland. Lebron may have had a "bad team", but they didn't beat anyone who was much better (I predicted Cleveland to win that series). That being said, Jordan's teams early should have never made the playoffs (30 wins, WTF?).

Lebron is one of the greatest players ever; in my opinion, he is the most PHYSICALLY TALENTED player to ever play. He has the best basketball body the NBA has ever seen. Jordan was a prick, but he was great; his teams early on were horrid. The Heat are going to win again, and Lebron is going to add to his legacy. Unfortunately, that means no ESPN for Avery. I like Lebron; I respect his game; he is the best in the league by a large margin. However, I hate the Heat, and I further detest all of the riders. A few here want Lebron's in their mouths.

**Thebesteva** · 05-18-2014

Originally Posted by Clipper Nation

Russell's 8 straight championships and 9 in 10 years should make him the GOAT by that logic

Already a debunked argument, while Russell is one of the top 10, he won in an era softer than your kimchi

**Thebesteva** · 05-18-2014

Originally Posted by littleavery1948

Michael Jordan never lost a series when he had home-court advantage. Boston in 86' and 87' and 59-win Milwaukee in 85' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any first round patsy that Lebron has played. In fact, I do not believe that any first round opponent Lebron's team played would have made the playoffs had that team been in the West (the Knicks went 36-30, same as the eight seed in the West in 2012). Lebron's teams played teams with 43 wins or fewer in every first round matchup. The Bulls frequently played teams with 47 or more wins. In 2007, the Cavs played the Nets and the Wizards, neither had a winning record, and would have missed the playoffs in the East. I will give the Cavs credit for beating the Pistons, who finished three games ahead of Cleveland. Lebron may have had a "bad team", but they didn't beat anyone who was much better (I predicted Cleveland to win that series). That being said, Jordan's teams early should have never made the playoffs (30 wins, WTF?).

Lebron is one of the greatest players ever; in my opinion, he is the most PHYSICALLY TALENTED player to ever play. He has the best basketball body the NBA has ever seen. Jordan was a prick, but he was great; his teams early on were horrid. The Heat are going to win again, and Lebron is going to add to his legacy. Unfortunately, that means no ESPN for Avery. I like Lebron; I respect his game; he is the best in the league by a large margin. However, I hate the Heat, and I further detest all of the riders. A few here want Lebron's in their mouths.

Lets just say its a Lebron bakery around here and their #1 customer is Korean

**james evans** · 05-18-2014

jordan actually got in a fight with reggie miller and didn't get ejected from the game with miller. haha

**spurraider21** · 05-18-2014

Originally Posted by Thebesteva

Lets just say its a Lebron bakery around here and their #1 customer is Korean

i'm not korean. YOURE korean

**james evans** · 05-18-2014

Originally Posted by ambchang

Stern changed rules to get the next Jordan. Check which year tmac Kobe iverson and stackhouse all suddenly got a huge jump in ppg and what rules were changed that year.

Jordan definitely got calls, he actually popularized the concept of superstar calls (magic and bird preceded him, but Jordan made it an obvious every fan term.), but compared to today's perimeter players, Jordan got hacked. In today's leagues, Jordan would've averaged 15 to 17 FTa a game, easy.

i think you're being modest with those numbers. the thing is, jordan didn't get the calls, movies, television specials, SNL hosting until he won his first le. he was already a superstar, but after 91 he really started to get the cartoons and other stuff. they treat kevin durant and his teammates as if he's a 18 year pro with 9 les.

**313** · 05-18-2014

Originally Posted by Thebesteva

Lets just say its a Lebron bakery around here and their #1 customer is Korean

**Infinite_limit** · 05-18-2014

Originally Posted by TDfan2007

Career FTA/game in the playoffs:

Jordan: 9.9
LeBron: 10.0
Kobe: 7.4
Durant: 9.3

But DK got so many food stamps

it couldn't possibly be because he was unguardable, even with handchecking

Bunch of whining es pretending that Jordan needed ref help to destroy opposing players/teams. Go back and watch those games that Jordan played against the Bad Boys and Riley's Knicks and tell me that he didn't deserve those FTs.

Career 3PA/game in the playoffs:

Durant: 6.2
LeBron: 4.4
Kobe: 4.0
Jordan: 2.5

Lesson: Jordan drove to the hoop. Durant and (given his huge physical advantage) James are wing chuckers.