NASCAR TV Ratings

[LEONARD]

I know its more popular.

I know it has national network contracts.

I know it generates more money in tv, marketing, advertising and merchandising revenues.

Fully sanctioned, huh? Well so is boxing... and boxing has NEVER been rigged, right?

I also continually find it funny you keep poking fun at the spelling correction, when it was done for effect following the 'all stockcar fans are rednecks' comment, which becomes funnier every second you keep alluding to it.

WWE will always be popular because there will always be low class people in this country that watch that $hit...and unfortunately, they do breed so the fanbase will remain. Unfortunately some of these same people are UFC fans, which is one reason why some UFC fans drive me crazy. The drunken rednecks at the events suck...luckily it's not a large part of the crowd and the fighters and president of the UFC have started calling them out for being idiots...

Yes, fully sanctioned. What does that have to do with rigged fights? The second there are rigged fights in the UFC, I'm out...

There is a difference between not being able to spell and a typo...wow...

[LEONARD]

To the media, there was only one Roller Derby, and from Jerry Seltzer's takeover in the late 50's the game reached new heights of popularity with a 120-station television network where taped games from the Bombers' home, Kezar Pavilion in San Francisco, were shown weekly. Television made fans of thousands and the Bombers packed arenas from coast to coast on cross country tours, regularly selling out arenas such as Madison Square Garden, Boston Garden, Kiel Auditorium in St. Louis and dozens more. The indoor record for Roller Derby was set at 19,507 at Madison Square Garden in 1970; it was broken by the outdoor record at the Oakland Coliseum a few months later at around 28,000 for a game between the Bombers and the Northeast Braves. The following year that record was topped again with 34,000 for a Bomber game at the Coliseum; their rival, the Midwest Pioneers, broke that record with 50,000 fans in 1972 for a game at Comiskey Park in Chicago. At this point, the Bombers home-team concept was duplicated with the New York Chiefs representing the Eastern U.S. and the Pioneers based in Chicago (but really everything west of Philadelphia).

So what decade did it "dominate"???? It was more popular than the NFL, MLB, etc?? Son of a ...I can't believe you're bring roller derby into this...seriously...

Your bit is TIRED...

[MajorMike]

Hey, I didn't bring it back up. Lesson #1 grasshopper - if you don't want to revisit, don't bring back up. Fact remains, Derby was as popular back then as UFC is now.

[LEONARD]

Fact remains, Derby was as popular back then as UFC is now.

How is it a fact?? Based on what??????????

And how can you even compare this era of TV to that era?? Ridiculous...

[IX_Equilibrium]

Yeah, I wouldn't bet on UFC becoming very popular if I were you, either. Hard to take a chance on a fad.

Do you have any type of legitimate researching or forecasts to back up your claims? You are just talking . I know you have run out of even slightly legitimate points to make, which is why you have reverted to insults, but lets see some substance that would support your claim about something that will happen in the future.

Let me help you get started. I submitted a CNN article about the current state of MMA and where it was trending. Do you care to refute anything in that artice? Please do and cite your references.

Expanding upon that, show a legitimate source from which you take the basis of your so called knowledge about what will happen in the future.

And and please no more WWE ratings vs. MMA ratings. That's a total smokescreen. I could just as easily come up with Nascar vs. American Idol ratings. Who gives a ? It's irrelevant.

So please, dazzle us with some type of substance to your claims about what will happen in the future.

[IX_Equilibrium]

How is it a fact?? Based on what??????????

And how can you even compare this era of TV to that era?? Ridiculous...

It's a fact in his own mind, that's good enough for him. Of course he won't be able to back it up, it's just his nature.

[MajorMike]

Don't need to just hurts ya'll I can even give some semblance of creedance to it.

Maybe you will learn to stay out of my threads.

I feel another run of mocking every post in this forum coming on.

[LEONARD]

Don't need to just hurts ya'll I can even give some semblance of creedance to it.

Maybe you will learn to stay out of my threads.

I feel another run of mocking every post in this forum coming on.

Nothing you've said "hurts" me

You know NOTHING about MMA...you're spewing BS and you're just annoying really. I ignored your crap in MMA threads for a while...I guess I'll just go back to doing that, then you'll eventually quit if you get no response.

Instead of posting BS in the dozen or more MMA threads on the first page, why not reply in the one Daytona thread that got ZERO responses??

[IX_Equilibrium]

That's what I thought. No substance whatsoever, just a bunch of hot air from a 13 yr old girl who states her uneducated opinion as fact. No surprise you can't back anything up.

Maybe you will learn to stay out of my threads.

HAHAHA!

What did anybody learn? That you are a bag. You opened this can of worms for yourself. If you don't anyone to troll Nascar, don't troll MMA!

[MajorMike]

I have all the substance, you can't back anything up so you flame and whine and cry.

My points are all completely valid. You are just a wannabe. You can't even stick to one arguement.

You obviously are not any good at smack offs, because you certainly can't see the irony in what you say.

All you have is what you say.

I have facts showing NASCAR is bigger.

I have facts showing WWE is bigger.

I have timelines showing UFC would be wise to try to branch like NASCAR did.

You tell me to show you something, I give you facts and you stomp and scream and try to throw up a smoke screen.

You are both trolls of the worst kind, digging your silly little holes with no substance, and when you get backed in a corner you have to start hollering and screaming about how worse something else is because you have no grounds on which to defend yourself.

You haven't produced any fact to disprove anything that I've said, only to jump around and continue to act like fools.

bag is 2 words, by the way.

[LEONARD]

wow...

[IX_Equilibrium]

I have facts showing NASCAR is bigger.

I have facts showing WWE is bigger.

If you had half a brain, you would see that nobody was arguing those points. The argument was that those were irrelevant points made by you to try and cower from your prophetic statements of what was going to happen to MMA in the future. I asked you to back up your claim, to which of course you could not. I hope you aren't this dense in everyday life, but I don't see how that would be possible.

bag is 2 words, by the way.

[DarkReign]

As far as spectators? Notice I said League. No other League in the world averages as many people per event as NASCAR. Perhaps the only 2 leagues in the world that could compare are the Premier League or the NFL, and neither come close, really. It is hard to compare when NASCAR draws crowds of 400k (Indy), 250k, 250k (Texas twice), 200k, 200k (Talledega twice), 200k, 200k (Daytona twice), 165k, 165k (Charlotte twice),160k, 160k (Bristol twice), 140k, 140k (LV twice), 100k, 100k (Cali twice), etc, etc. No way any league can compare to that. If you add in the fact that a NASCAR race is a whole weekend, and yes you buy tickets to every event, then those numbers go up astronomically. That is just at the races. A NY Times article lists NASCAR and the 2nd most-watched sport in America and the Daytona 500 as the 2nd most-watched sporting event behind the Super Bowl.

Ahhh, good point. You did say league. My bad.

[MajorMike]

You good peep Dark.

[T Park]

so are the fighting children done insulting NASCAR fans and bull ing stupid ass stereotypes.

[LEONARD]

Remember how big heavyweight boxing was around 10-15 years ago? Moral of the story is... enjoy the peak while you are on it.

2. If you think MMA has "peaked," then you just don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Hard to take a chance on a fad.

UFC Set to Post Record Year on Pay-per-view

http://mmapayout.com/2008/12/ufc-set...-pay-per-view/

December 11, 2008

With the results in from ten of the UFC’s twelve pay-per-views, the company appears certain to post a record number of pay-per-view buys in 2008. The company’s current record year came in 2006 when it posted an estimated 5.2 million buys. With the returns from UFC 88 and UFC 92 outstanding, the company has already tallied 4,850,000 buys in 2008. In 2007, the company drew 4,885,000 buys.

In 2006 the company staged ten pay-per-view events, averaging 520,000 buys per event. In 2007 the company held eleven events which averaged 440,090 buys each. So far in 2008 the company is averaging 485,000 per event.

[djohn14]

Leonard!!!!!!!!

[dbreiden83080]

HE is alive......

[Evan]

Leonard is a troll

[ATRAIN]

Leonard is a troll

WTF!!!!

[ATRAIN]

LEONARD is a EVAN troll......whoever said it.....holy you nailed it!!!

[Evan]

Leonard is my mortal enemy

[djohn14]

Evan...

[DarkReign]

Its a joke peeps.

[LEONARD]

CaptMike...