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Has it gotten to the point where just seeing Ruff's posts about a controversial American issue just pisses anyone else off regardless of what he says?
"maintain an assault rifle and a pistol at their home.
They have basically no gun crime"
You can't prove causality. That's NRA bull .
Switzerland, most of Europe, Japan have very low rates of violent/gun crime compared to USA, and it's not because they'e all a bunch less DQs and aggies packing heat.
The gun industry in the USA is NOT about self-defense.
It's about pathological infatuation with killing and guns, lessness (male insecurity), and dealers making tons of money selling guns and ammo to whomever the gun dealers can find, legal and illegal. In America, everything is always about $$.
2nd Amendment? GMAFB
It's wide-open to interpretation anyway. The "comma" placement?
Militia? How many of you gun-freaks are in a citizen's militia?
Has it gotten to the point where just seeing Ruff's posts about a controversial American issue just pisses anyone else off regardless of what he says?
The Cons ution also protects me from forking over 20% of my income but we all know how that goes. The Cons ution also protects my right to illegal search and seizure but all know how labor day weekend went in Bexar County. Sadly the Cons ution hardly means more than someones expired insurance binder.
Furthermore I don't have to back up . I started off by saying that I could be wrong. I also said it SEEMED low but wasn't sure. I then compared it to the total of a densely populated area like New York and the number still seemed low. I wasn't looking for a debate I was looking for opinions on something that stuck out as I read it.
To be quite honest I still don't know where I stand on gun control. I know Europes numbers skyrocketed but they've also plummeted....but then again so have ours.
So thanks for your opinions and for those of you that wanted me to back up something I never supported in the first place GO YOURSELVES.
I don't know where you got those numbers. There are over 300 million people in the US. If the 15/100,000 number is correct, then there were about 45,000 gun related deaths in the US that year. If the 11,000 number is correct, then the per capita rate that year was less than 4/100,000.
The overall murder rate in the US in 2005 was 5.6/100,000. If the rate of gun realted deaths that year was 15/100,000 then that's quite a few suicides by gunshot and gun accidents.
It does happen, just not very often. Actually, the main reason for the 2nd amendment is to keep the population armed so that the government can't descend into tyranny. But history is over and only saints work in the government so that won't ever be a problem again.Oh, and the self-defense argument is a joke. How many people have you heard about who successfully defended themselves against crime using their gun? It doesn't happen.
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"Aggressive wars, income taxes, national IDs, domestic spying, torture regimes, secret prisons, Federal Reserve manipulation -- we don't have to take it any more." - Ron Paul
Its tough to read that sig because everytime I do I think to myself how ing typical of America to just flat out overlook something or someone with a vision for the greater good of everyone instead of him or herself.
Once you give up guns, you can expect many other freedoms and liberties to be slowly taken away. For instance in the UK samurai swords have now been banned, next thing you know they will be banning steak knives.
at the NRA members in here.
Over 11,000 gun-related deaths in the US in 2005, per capita the rate is about 15/100,000 which is 3 times the next country, Switzerland, at about 5/100,000. In Oz it's 1.5, and most of the developed world is under 2.
Legally available guns lead to more deaths, not just murders but domestic homicides and accidents. I'm very glad we have strict gun control in this country.
It’s difficult to have a serious discussion about why the U.S. has a higher murder rate than other industrial countries because nobody is willing to discuss the elephant in the room. It’s easier to demagogue the fact that there are more legal firearms here than it is to consider that we also have a much more ethnically diverse population than Sweden or Japan for example.
While some pro-gun advocates will point out the many regions where gun ownership is high (rural America) while the murder rate is low, they stop far short of noting that the population in these low crime areas is predominantly white. In fact the murder rate by whites in America is comparable to the murder rates of the other nations so often brought up by the gun control groups.
Statistics from U.S. Justice Dept. show that while blacks are just 13% of the population but they commit more than half the muggings and murders in the country. Hispanics commit violent crimes at about three times the white rate.
The proportion of blacks and Hispanics in an area is the single best indicator of how dangerous it is. The racial mix is a much better predictor of crime rates than poverty, unemployment and dropout rates combined.
This may be an uncomfortable element to consider but if you expect to find effective solutions to a problem, you can’t turn away from facts.
True. Paul really is politics to improve his country and not his own pos ion in the world. Not many of those around anymore.
As if poverty, unemployment and dropout rates didn't unproportionally affect the minorities living in said area.
Disgustingly and dangerously simple minded/racist post BTW
Agreed.
It' s the same old ideological trap of trying to find causation from correlation....
I'd like to see a study that compares the murder rate, the illegitimacy rate, and the per capita income in every region in the US.
You mean like "the reason we have a higher murder rate in the U.S. is because we have more guns?"
ing sad no one can see it.
I don't necessarily worry about defending myself against other guns. A bad guy can do just as much damage with a knife, baseball bat, crobar, whatever floats his boat, if I have nothing to defend myself and my family with.Quite frankly it speaks to ill nature of the American people that we have allowed weapons of death to become such a problem that they are now in some cases felt necesarry to defend oneself against other guns.
You're a ing idiot. Switzerland isn't NRA propaganda, it's a fact, and one that the Swiss are damn proud of. Funny, theirs is actually one born out of what happened on their continent with the Germans, so it's a much more recent addition to their country's culture than ours.
You're a ing idiot. I own a firearm, and it's not about killing. I pray to God that I never have to use it to take another human being's life, though if you come into my house with ill intent you can damn sure bet on it being your ass instead of mine or my family's.The gun industry in the USA is NOT about self-defense.
It's about pathological infatuation with killing and guns, lessness (male insecurity), and dealers making tons of money selling guns and ammo to whomever the gun dealers can find, legal and illegal. In America, everything is always about $$.
The only insecurity here is knowing if someone were to break down my door at 2 AM that 9-1-1 emergency isn't going to get here in time.
As much as you on the political forum about the government taking away our rights as citizens to privacy, it's slightly (and by slightly I mean the size of the Grand Canyon) hypocritical of you to on the second amendment just because it doesn't suit your pussification and socialization of America agenda.2nd Amendment? GMAFB
It's not wide open to interpration, if it were it wouldn't still be a fundamental tenant of our rights as Americans, because lord knows the Democrats have tried to ban firearms time and time again.It's wide-open to interpretation anyway. The "comma" placement?
It's cute, anyone who embraces our cons utionally guaranteed freedoms is now a 'gun-freak'. Exaggerate much?Militia? How many of you gun-freaks are in a citizen's militia?
There's no need to be in a citizen's militia at this point, though if keeps up that may change. And I guess you missed the citizens of Louisiana joining together to deal with thieves who were looting homes after Katrina...
You miss the whole point about the militia - the Founding Fathers considered the right to bear arms and form a militia critical to the security of the nation. , it was the SECOND amendment they put down on paper.
I don't know who did your home schooling, but whoever it was did a ty job.
It's funny that you went off on me earlier in this thread, yet we agree on Paul...
He was the best man for the job this fall, but he didn't cater to special interests in D.C. so he got taken apart by the media and those in his party with a special interest agenda.
Sad.
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