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    But not close at all.
    There's nothing closest to it because it doesn't work. Tell me what a utopia free market healthcare system would look like?

    We already had a system that looked just for money and did extensive patient dumping because they couldn't pay. That's what the free market looked like back in the day. Makes sense for the bottom line, but it's completely inhumane.

    That's why Reagan ended up having to enact EMTALA. And even that program was never enough. Patients get stabilized and sent back home without treating the underlying condition, which means further future visits.

    Any type of healthcare reform needs to be comprehensive, and primarily address cost. That was my main criticism of Obamacare, it didn't tackle cost, and so we keep putting lipstick on a pig, and revisiting because it didn't solve the underlying problems.

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    ElNono: We have socialize healthcare
    ElNono: What we have is like free market healthcare

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    Why don't you quote me instead of lying? I said we're the "bastion of free market healthcare", and "the closest thing anybody will see to a free market". (actual quotes)

    And it's absolutely true. Name me any other country that has a more 'free market', less 'socialized' healthcare than the US? It doesn't exist.

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    Why don't you quote me instead of lying? I said we're the "bastion of free market healthcare", and "the closest thing anybody will see to a free market". (actual quotes)

    And it's absolutely true. Name me any other country that has a more 'free market', less 'socialized' healthcare than the US? It doesn't exist.
    Pretty sure Somalia, the ultimate free market utopia that conservatives should flock to, has more of a free market healthcare system than we do

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    Side note: There's no free market whatsoever without a liberal (in the 19th century sense) legal framework. Free markets don't work without property rights and neutrally enforced contracts.

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    Side note: There's no free market whatsoever without a liberal (in the 19th century sense) legal framework. Free markets don't work without property rights and neutrally enforced contracts.
    I don’t disagree but that right there is why “the smaller the gubbamint, the better!” arguments are re ed.

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    I don’t disagree but that right there is why “the smaller the gubbamint, the better!” arguments are re ed.
    They are.

    Governments can be better or worse, but wishing for no government whatsoever is akin to pining for the law of the jungle.

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    Pretty sure Somalia, the ultimate free market utopia that conservatives should flock to, has more of a free market healthcare system than we do
    We're talking places with actual healthcare

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    There's nothing closest to it because it doesn't work.
    You have no ing idea what works and what doesn't work.

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    Why don't you quote me instead of lying? I said we're the "bastion of free market healthcare", and "the closest thing anybody will see to a free market". (actual quotes)

    And it's absolutely true. Name me any other country that has a more 'free market', less 'socialized' healthcare than the US? It doesn't exist.
    We're nowhere ing close to free market regardless of whether anyone is closer or not.

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    You have no ing idea what works and what doesn't work.
    Cool rebuttal. Lacking content, per par.

    We're nowhere ing close to free market regardless of whether anyone is closer or not.
    Do tell what the utopian free market healthcare looks like. Second time question been asked, still empty handed.

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    Cool rebuttal. Lacking content, per par.

    Do tell what the utopian free market healthcare looks like. Second time question been asked, still empty handed.
    The free market is the opposite of utopian, genius. And you just think more of the same is what works.

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    The free market is the opposite of utopian, genius. And you just think more of the same is what works.
    self ownage

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    Utopian has the connotative meaning of everyone pitching in for the common good. That's the aspiration for socialized medicine.

    Free market is look out for you and yours and let supply / demand keep the price right. It makes no promises of ty safety nets.

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    Lol derp stepping all over himself when trying to define a utopian system.

    Next he'll lash out that everyone else here is a chumpette lashing out.

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    Lol derp stepping all over himself when trying to define a utopian system.

    Next he'll lash out that everyone else here is a chumpette lashing out.
    potatoe 2.0

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    St Avengers assemble!
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    NYT using the same alternative spelling in the same year, but that's a win for Lite.

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    NYT using the same alternative spelling in the same year, but that's a win for Lite.
    fake news

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    The free market is the opposite of utopian, genius. And you just think more of the same is what works.
    Utopian means something so perfect it’s realistically impossible. What I asked of you is to describe the most perfect free market healthcare system you envision so we can discuss it’s connotations. ie: things like how does profit motive and fiduciary duty to shareholders, pillars of free market and capitalism, fit with prioritization of patient care, safety nets, etc.

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    derp dying on Potatoe Hill again.

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    Nothing fake about it; I present the link at the time do enting that.

    I'm sure honest Chump will back me up on that.

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    derp dying on Potatoe Hill again.
    Go with the elitist line like I and the other minions do

    LOL Dump

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    Nothing fake about it; I present the link at the time do enting that.

    I'm sure honest Chump will back me up on that.
    Good to know that the NYT isn’t fake news and is acceptable as a source for you

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