When does (will) Joe Biden leave the freezer?

[spurraider21]

I'd like to just see a primary process where there's no favoritism and there isn't constant bull on CNN/MSNBC about who is and isn't "electable" since the pundits clearly don't have the slightest ing idea who's electable. If they did we wouldn't have John Kerry and Hillary Clinton as nominees.

I know it sounds crazy but if you just let the voters pick the candidate they like the most and impartially cover each candidate without biased media coverage telling them X candidate or Y candidate is more "electable", you'll end up with the candidate who the base likes the most.

Biden would have been dead in the water after New Hampshire if not for the media welfare that propped him back up.

sure, but we dont really have data that proves bernie would have won, etc. it's plenty possible that Biden's name recognition would have carried regardless. after nevada, the media was operating under the assumption sanders was going to win, he was called the frontrunner, etc. with the exception of who was it, chris matthews, who kept having meltdowns, i didnt really see anything nasty (though i dont have cable, so i'm only basing it on what i see pop up on social media or w/e).

youth turnout wasnt anything special... how can you sell "energizing the base" if the target demographic of young voters didnt come out in droves? i simply dont think leftists represent as big a block of democratic voters as they need to to succeed nationally at this point.

[Will Hunting]

That will still happen regardless with the media though.

Trump got more media coverage than all of his oponents combined in 2016. That includes with Bernie and Hillary.

But to your larger point about massa Clyburn and his endorsement. It's not like the first 3 states didn't heavily favored Bernie and handicapped Biden twofold. Iowa and New Hampshire being extraordinarily white and also have the voting being done in a caucus in 2 of the 3. Those are two Bernie strength.

All this being prop up talk looks silly when you take that into account. The primary schedule sure didn't help Biden at all.

Most of the country is white, and the states that are predominantly white have outsized electoral vote representation, so I'm not sure why Biden performing horribly in white states is merely a "bad primary schedule." It's not like Biden came 2nd in Iowa and New Hampshire. He came in 4th and 5th. The fact white voters are so uninspired by Biden should have been a glaring red flag. If one candidate is well-liked by white people and the other candidate is well-liked by black people, the first one is more electable. You talk about Biden being well liked by black people as if we live in ing Somalia. Bernie's strength being white people when 70% of the country is white should be viewed as a positive, not as a negative.

It wasn't just Clyburn's endorsement. It was round the clock coverage about how big a deal it was and how it showed Biden's wide appeal and electability. It became a big deal because the media made it one. You're kidding yourself if you think the average uneducated 50 something year old bible thumping black woman even knew who Jim Clyburn was.

[Will Hunting]

sure, but we dont really have data that proves bernie would have won, etc. it's plenty possible that Biden's name recognition would have carried regardless. after nevada, the media was operating under the assumption sanders was going to win, he was called the frontrunner, etc. with the exception of who was it, chris matthews, who kept having meltdowns, i didnt really see anything nasty (though i dont have cable, so i'm only basing it on what i see pop up on social media or w/e).

youth turnout wasnt anything special... how can you sell "energizing the base" if the target demographic of young voters didnt come out in droves? i simply dont think leftists represent as big a block of democratic voters as they need to to succeed nationally at this point.

It was far from just Matthews in terms of nastiness. One of the black anchors on MSNBC called black women who supported Sanders "the island of misfit black girls"

[ChumpDumper]

It was far from just Matthews in terms of nastiness. One of the black anchors on MSNBC called black women who supported Sanders "the island of misfit black girls"

Right but less than a million people watch those shows and I doubt their the young people who didn't vote for anyone anyway. If you want more of a Social Democrat, we need the youngest, best looking one we can find. It's stupid that that's what motivates a lot of young voters but JFK, Bill Clinton and Obama are the best examples of younger dudes with relatively progressive rhetoric who made it.

[Will Hunting]

Don't forget James Carville saying that Uncle Ruckus Clyburn endorsing Biden "Saved the Democratic Party!"

Hyperbole much?

[ChumpDumper]

Don't forget James Carville saying that Uncle Ruckus Clyburn endorsing Biden "Saved the Democratic Party!"

Hyperbole much?

Well he probably thought Sanders would get killed in a general election. I don't think he's necessarily wrong.

[Will Hunting]

Well he probably thought Sanders would get killed in a general election. I don't think he's necessarily wrong.

In 2007, Carville declared Obama was the Democratic candidate "most likely to implode"
In 2016 Carville said the Republican Party was "committing suicide" running Trump against Hillary.

Maybe he should reconsider the criteria he uses as to who is and isn't electable or at least shut the up until he gets a few right.

[Reck]

Talking about needing to shut the up. Why is Hillary telling Joe not to concede the election? omg this lady is trying hard to attach herself into this election.

Huma needs to muff dive some more and keep her busy.

[ChumpDumper]

In 2007, Carville declared Obama was the Democratic candidate "most likely to implode"
In 2016 Carville said the Republican Party was "committing suicide" running Trump against Hillary.

Maybe he should reconsider the criteria he uses as to who is and isn't electable or at least shut the up until he gets a few right.

I seriously don't know of one person who has been influenced by anything James Carville said even when he was relevant. He made good copy because of his accent and his wife.

[GB20]

Talking about needing to shut the up. Why is Hillary telling Joe not to concede the election? omg this lady is trying hard to attach herself into this election.

Huma needs to muff dive some more and keep her busy.

Yeah!!! Even though I voted for her, she needs to shut the up.

[hater]

Very depressing thread tbqh

For a democrat

[Dirks_Finale]

Trump has made some key mistakes this year. If he keeps on with the errors, then the Dems can keep Joe in the basement till Nov 3rd and still win.

Very depressing thread tbqh

For a democrat

[Will Hunting]

Trump has made some key mistakes this year. If he keeps on with the errors, then the Dems can keep Joe in the basement till Nov 3rd and still win.

Definitely not making excuses for Trump when I say this but if not for COVID-19 he’d be winning in a blowout. Might even have a chance at winning the popular vote against Old Joe.

[Reck]

Definitely not making excuses for Trump when I say this but if not for COVID-19 he’d be winning in a blowout. Might even have a chance at winning the popular vote against Old Joe.

That's a laughable take.

[Dirks_Finale]

I agree. He's Teflon-Don and nothing really sticks with him no matter what...but the images of death month after month are something that even he can't escape.

Definitely not making excuses for Trump when I say this but if not for COVID-19 he’d be winning in a blowout. Might even have a chance at winning the popular vote against Old Joe.

[Blake]

Definitely not making excuses for Trump when I say this but if not for COVID-19 he’d be winning in a blowout. Might even have a chance at winning the popular vote against Old Joe.

Crazy thing is that Trump has had plenty of opportunities to take covid head on and really use it to boost his popularity like W did after 9/11.

It's been the opposite and Trump still will probably win any way. That's how unbelievably sorry the list of democratic candidates has been.

[Will Hunting]

That's a laughable take.

Trump would have the good economy narrative without COVID. Even now he shouldn’t have the good economy narrative but he’s still acting like he does, and Old Joe is too dumbfounded to effectively point out how stupid Trump is for claiming to be responsible for a good economy. If we were still below 4% unemployment Old Joe would be even more clueless.

[Dirks_Finale]

It's a reasonable assumption considering the lack of a quality nominee you have on the left. I thought Bernie was more of a threat as his people are energized. Was glad when the Dems fleeced him again behind closed doors.

That's a laughable take.

[Will Hunting]

Crazy thing is that Trump has had plenty of opportunities to take covid head on and really use it to boost his popularity like W did after 9/11.

It's been the opposite and Trump still will probably win any way. That's how unbelievably sorry the list of democratic candidates has been.

The initial list of candidates wasn’t bad, but they’ve made fundraising such an important part of the primary process early on that they all dropped out. I think a normal looking progressive white guy like Jay Inslee would be doing well against Trump, and if we wanted a black candidate Cory Booker would have been fine too imo. The candidates we were left with all had major warts...Biden (literally too old to campaign), Bernie (socialist), Bloomer (billionaire Republican oligarch running as a Dem), Bootyjudge (no experience & rubbed a lot of people the wrong way), Klobuchar (unlikable ).

[GB20]

Definitely not making excuses for Trump when I say this but if not for COVID-19 he’d be winning in a blowout. Might even have a chance at winning the popular vote against Old Joe.

You could be wrong. The republicans and Trump got blown out of the water in 2018 midterms by wide margin.

[Will Hunting]

You could be wrong. The republicans and Trump got blown out of the water in 2018 midterms by wide margin.

So did Obama in 2010. The party in office always has an uphill battle in midterms. The other side puts more money and effort into fielding good candidates.

If this is a close election where Biden barely wins, imo it’d be pretty safe to assume that Trump would have won without COVID.

[GB20]

So did Obama in 2010. The party in office always has an uphill battle in midterms. The other side puts more money and effort into fielding good candidates.

If this is a close election where Biden barely wins, imo it’d be pretty safe to assume that Trump would have won without COVID.

Even before COVID-19 and good economic Donald Trump approval rating was a record low.

[Reck]

It's a reasonable assumption considering the lack of a quality nominee you have on the left. I thought Bernie was more of a threat as his people are energized. Was glad when the Dems fleeced him again behind closed doors.

Bernie wouldn't have had a chance in Arizona or Florida, NC and such.

All battleground states this go round. Turns out saying nice things about Castro pisses off most hispanics.

BTW, I'm not saying Biden would win or that Trump wouldn't. Just speaking to the blowout part.

Even with a good economy you still have the negative personality and corruption bit that Trump couldn't shake if his life depended on it.

[leemajors]

So many Blake’s and alts.....but just one derp.

One

We were all mono a little while ago.

[Dirks_Finale]

Well, COVID has actually been a blessing for Joe. Sounds terrible, but take away Covid and you force Joe to come out of the basement all this time and speak...and he seems to get in trouble whenever that happens So that's mainly why I think he gets blown out without Covid.

Tulsi was a quality candidate imo. And the DNC wanted nothing to do with her.

Bernie wouldn't have had a chance in Arizona or Florida, NC and such.

All battleground states this go round. Turns out saying nice things about Castro pisses off most hispanics.

BTW, I'm not saying Biden would win or that Trump wouldn't. Just speaking to the blowout part.

Even with a good economy you still have the negative personality and corruption bit that Trump couldn't shake if his life depended on it.